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'Cement Look' Products On The Market?

8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago

I want to do the top layer of my floors to have that cement / loft look that I see all over the place. Getting it the traditional way of simply grinding down the surface is not an option for me.

I found a few products that would work, but they're rarely to be found in the United States. One of them is by a company called Forbo - Erocol - Beton Design.

Is there a company / product line you guys can refer me to that has a large / reputable presence in the United States?

My understanding is that it is some sort of a paste product? With a cement ingredient?


Comments (25)

  • PRO
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Have you considered terrazzo or terrazzo tiles?

  • 8 years ago

    You can get the effect with epoxy flooring, and so long as your floors are in good condition no grinding.

  • 8 years ago

    I would look at speciality epoxy finishing - but you need a concrete floor under that.

    I am thinking you don't have a concrete base, but standard wood construction and want this to look like concrete. Hmmmm....

  • 8 years ago

    Do you want just the look or do you need the feel too? Paint could give you the look. If your subfloor is wood you'd need to add backer board similar to using tile before adding anything. Also it will likely be some cracks to deal with as there is even in real concrete.

  • 8 years ago
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    I would look at speciality epoxy finishing - but you need a concrete floor under that.

    I am thinking you don't have a concrete base, but standard wood construction and want this to look like concrete. Hmmmm....

    You can put epoxy over wood subfloors. Flexible epoxy flooring has been around for a while now. You have to bondo the floor seams, so it is a little more money, but doable. It holds up pretty well.

  • PRO
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    What floor do you have now? Light -crete makes a product you might want to check out

  • 8 years ago
    if it's just the look, maybe a vinyl floor?
  • 8 years ago

    So you have real concrete floors but want them to look like fake concrete simulating real concrete poorly done. (Otherwise, as mentioned above, you could epoxy, polish or stain the concrete with various effects.) Sort of like our new dining room furniture beaten into faux antiques.

  • 8 years ago

    I was going to polish my concrete floor to get a nice finish, and still the variation of concrete and some exposed aggregate that looks like monochromatic terrazzo - so you can look into that, and then use a penetrating sealer.

  • 8 years ago
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    Epoxy feels like rubber, so I wouldn't consider it.

    Epoxy doesn't feel like rubber unless you want it to. Rubber has a Shore A hardness of 20, epoxy used for interior flooring has a Shore D of 80. Which is about the hardness of bones...

    One of the products you listed is softer than epoxy and one is just a top coat.

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    "...A concrete base..." "keep kit as authentic as possible..." "I'd like a solution as close to the real thing as possible..."

    Well...you have the real thing. It's called a concrete slab. That's as real as concrete gets. Really.

    Cement is the powder in the bag. Concrete is what happens when you mix cement with aggregate and water and place it in forms and let it cure.

    If you want cement...it's the powdery stuff. Not really good to walk on. If you want concrete, it's the hard stuff. Really good to walk on.

    There's lots and lots of different treatments for an interior concrete slab. Have you seen them?

    "... look that I see all over the place..." So what's the look? You need to supply just a bit more information...

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    this is the solution im looking for (not necessarily this brand): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiwn0ciHSZM

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    The OP simply refuses to post any helpful information...Who knows what s/he is thinking?

    This is one of those postings where it's just not possible to help without more information.

  • 8 years ago

    I gave you the product im looking for, I also included a photo of the finished result im after, I provided you with a video to how the solution looks like as it's being applied. Im confused what else I can provide you with?

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    https://www.forbo.com/flooring/en-us/

    Talk to Forbo in the USA

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    I already did. I am looking for alternative solutions based on the same principle. Or is Forbo the only company in the world that does this? I still can't figure out what exactly this product is, and they're not very helpful. It looks like they don't have "Beton Design" line in the USA.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Have you talked to a concrete floor finishing company in your area?

    I don't understand what is special about the product that you want. I watched the video and It looks just like any one of 100 different products to do a troweled on topping coat (or micro-topping coat) with a clear epoxy topcoat (the 311 product is some sort of epoxy). I wouldn't personally trowel on a topcoat and then turn around and put an epoxy plasticizer over the top of it, but if you can talk people into paying for that, go ahead. There are lots of thinner topcoats that are going to be a lot easier to apply.

    There may be some other benefits to the product that you are linking to, but nothing that you have described wanting is in any way unique to those products. Or even a product that you can't pick up at Home Depot.

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    I believe the product is Eurcol from Forbo. If Forbo USA can't answer your question, then email them the online link from their European website.

  • 8 years ago

    I am trying to figure out who their leading competitors are.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    exactly. the solution that they proposed at Forbo looks like this:

    This is their solution:

    1 layer: 305 - Colored finishing paste, imitating decorative concrete. It is inexplicable to apply in 2 layers, the consumption of 0.5 kg per 1 sq. M. = you need 44 kg product, packaging 7 kg. Need 7 pcs. Price 1 piece 305 = $260

    2 coat: 300 - Primer varnish. consumption 120 g / m2. Need 3 pieces. Price 1 piece 300 = $60

    3 layer: 310 - Finish polyurethane varnish. consumption 50 g / m square. Requires 1 pc. Price 1 piece 310 = $100

    So my total cost: $1820 + $180 + $100 = $2100

    The apartment is 475 square feet.

    Plus 8 weeks I need to wait for the product.

  • 8 years ago

    Is the only difference between using some sort of Forbo concrete imitating paste vs using a micro topping like Ardex PCT - is that one of them needs to be polished and the other one does not?

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Is the only difference between using some sort of Forbo concrete imitating paste vs using a micro topping like Ardex PCT - is that one of them needs to be polished and the other one does not?

    I can't tell you the differences between the two products after application. However, I read the instructions on the Forbo and the process is similar.

    Forbo: trowel on paste, let dry, sand, trowel on paste, let dry sand, protect.

    Ardex: trowel on concrete, let dry, sand, protect.

    I don't see where either one has to be polished. Concrete floors are often polished in general to achieve a desired finish level, but that would be required for either one, and is a function of the protection layer rather than the cementitious layer.

    On a side note, troweling a floor is a PITA and you are not going to achieve the results that they do as a DIY project. So you are going to have to sand the crap out of it, even pros who can make it look easy, which it is most certainly is not, don't trowel unless they have to. Unless you have a lot of holes in your floor (heating vents and open to below areas) a high flow product that is applied with a squeegee will better and a lot easier to DIY.

    It seems the product is designed to be somewhat flexible, as it can be installed over cement backer board, but I could be misinterpreting that. There might be other advantages, I just don't see it. I am not really a pro at this, I have just done it a few times.

    I suspect that any of these products is going to crack if the floor below it moves and cracks.

  • 8 years ago

    I just spoke with Ardex in the country I am having this work done. They referred me to this product: Ardex K 80. Alternatively they have a line of product similar to Fobor Beton Design called 'Pandomo' - the problem is Ardex K 80 at 5mm minimum is too thick, and Pandomo they only sell to authorized installers, and the authorized installers start at $150 / square meter (20x as expensive as just buying Ardex K80).

  • 8 years ago
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    the problem is Ardex K 80 at 5mm minimum is too thick

    Really? You can't have a topping that is about 3/16" thick?

    That might have been good information to have at the beginning of the conversation. I shouldn't have doubted Virgil's wisdom on this one.

    Good luck with your project.