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Lady Emma Hamilton question

Hi everyone!

I've been reading older posts, and checking around...from what I understand, LEH is wimpy on its own roots, and possibly won't make it through the winter in my chilly zone 5, own root or bareroot.

I'm desperately hoping one of you will tell me otherwise, as I've based my entire plan for our new area around her.

On the chance (more than a chance I'm guessing, but jeez Louise I had this all finished!), that this is probably all correct information, any suggestions for a similar colour replacement?

I have Lady of Shalott, and she's a little too orange here for the colour combo, I need something a tad more pinkish.

Think Walkers Low catmint, DA's Charlotte & Ingrid Bergman....who would fit in nicely there?

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  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    How about Elle, a pink blend with apricot/peach tones? I recently asked about her here:

    [https://www.houzz.com/discussions/tiffany-or-elle-dsvw-vd~5372030?n=18[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/tiffany-or-elle-dsvw-vd~5372030?n=18)

    Everyone raved about her, including several folks in cold climates. I think Chicago Peace would too, but I’m very partial to pink blends and think they look good with everything.

    I’m actually contemplating LEH myself, but for me the concern is not hardiness, it’s that her blooms might be too fleeting. But I love her look.

    Gillian (zone 5b/6a) Ontario, Canada thanked BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    I think Austin's Desdemona might be good with that combination. She's kinda pastel peachy white, and with better disease resistance than Lady Emma also. See https://www.davidaustinroses.com/us/desdemona-shrub-rose .

    But I always like a bit of white thrown in to a color mix--helps bring out the color of each color and gives an overall freshness to a group planting, I think.

    Which reminds me that Olivia Rose Austin is a lovely Austin shrub, a bit shorter than the previously mentioned ones, and a pastel pink/whitish bloom--more whitish than the Austin pic shows: https://www.davidaustinroses.com/us/olivia-rose-austin-shrub-rose?___SID=U 

    Anne Boleyn? This one has a nice, airy, graceful look to it. Color is a lovely blend of pastels, pinkish white with light apricot highlights. Somewhat shorter. Cold hardy Zone 4, whereas the others above are Zone 5. https://www.davidaustinroses.com/us/anne-boleyn-shrub-rose

    Hope that gives you enough ideas to play with. : )

    Kate

    Gillian (zone 5b/6a) Ontario, Canada thanked dublinbay z6 (KS)
  • 8 years ago

    My Lady Emma Hamilton is grafted, it's about three years old. It's short and appropriate for the front of the border. The color is vibrant without being harsh.

    Gillian (zone 5b/6a) Ontario, Canada thanked Krista_5NY
  • 8 years ago

    We have two LEH, one grafted and one own root, but both are new this year... and we are zone 7.

    However, what about Boscobel or Soul Sister (KORconvent)? Here's a picture of our Soul Sister from this spring:

    I find SS to be similar to LEH in bloom, though a bit lighter and not as cupped. A gorgeous flower though. It doesn't have the pretty darker coloring on the new foliage that LEH has and it is not fragrant to my nose. OTOH, our Boscobel is pinker than LEH, but with touches of a yellowy orange in the center. It smells totally yummy and ours has a pretty pale apple green coloring to the new growth. I think both should be similar in size and typical growth to LEH, from what I've seen so far and read.

    I saw this morning that Heirloom Roses has Soul Sister on sale for $20, plus an additional 20% off. Not sure if they sell/ship to Canada?

    Shannon :-)

    Gillian (zone 5b/6a) Ontario, Canada thanked Sun2shinie, Arkansas z7a
  • 8 years ago

    Thank you all for responding!

    I figured my luck was low with LEH, but I was hopeful!

    They are all amazing suggestions!!! I'll be on HMF all night.

    Cynthia, I have Bliss! It's actually fairly close to what I'm looking for, but I don't want to plant more than one, unless it turns out to be one of my favourites :)

    Soul Sister, Elle & Anne are fighting for the spot right now, I love them all. Tamora & The Ambridge are up there too, my garden centre will be carrying both, so I think I'll get them, even if they don't get the "special spot"...I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Palatine or Hortico will have Elle & SS, Heirlooms doesn't ship here :(

    i know what you mean about the hardiness of the Kordes, they did better than all the rest over winter, especially Jasmina, 2ft of cane on a climber with no winter protection is impressive here! We had a doozy of a winter this year.

    here is a shot of Bliss, I love the Kordes (and the Delbards!) (And the Austins!)

    Ps. Cynthia, I ordered Acropolis after your post last year, I LOVE it! It's different everyday, one of my favourites by far! Thank you for sharing, so I didn't miss out on this beauty!

  • 8 years ago

    Btw Ben, pink blends are my weakness too, my first "real Rose" was Rainbow Sorbet, which is very pinky toned here :)

  • 8 years ago

    Hi again!

    I took pictures of all three this morning for you. Remembering it's quite sauna-ish here this time of year, highs in the high 90s, and we're also dealing with blackspot, botrytis, and every kind of bug I've never heard of... oh and I haven't dead headed in a few of days.

    Lady Emma Hamilton-

    This is our grafted from DA planted in this large pot 3/14/18. Her pretty flowers don't last very long, but her fragrance and pretty foliage make up for it in my book. I vote for you to try her BenT, but she's my favorite so I'm biased. ;-)

    Boscobel-

    Our Boscobel is also grafted from DA planted in this pot on 3/13/18. Her flowers last much longer than LEH, but her fragrance really really is nice. Someone else on the forum called it "cherry candy", and I think they could be right. I don't detect any bit of a "myrrh" fragrance (our Glamis Castle is definitely myrrh -blech). I tried to get a close up of a newly opened bloom so you could see the orangey yellow cast in the center, but I'm not sure it translates. I think the full picture does show the pretty pale apple green new foliage (though I am wondering this morning if maybe she's hungry too...)?

    Soul Sister-

    Our Soul Sister is a 1gallon own root from Chamblee planted in the ground on 9/27/17. When she started blooming this spring she hasn't stopped. There has been at least one gorgeous flower on her every second since. As the blooms age they fade to a creamy/buttery color, but not displeasing to my eye at all. I have her planted next to Twilight Zone and beside a pot with purple petunias. I think it is a very nice combo. Although at the moment two large tomato plants have sprouted up between TZ and SS. (I'm guessing I didn't "cook" the last batch of compost long enough.)

    Gillian your Rainbow Sorbet is so pretty! It looks like a prettier fuller petaled version of our Mississippi Rainbow. My husband, Al, likes reds and pink blends too. His favorite pink blend is Fragrant Hour.

    Shannon :-)

    Gillian (zone 5b/6a) Ontario, Canada thanked Sun2shinie, Arkansas z7a
  • 8 years ago

    Gillian, in the end it may be better to have chosen something other than LEH, anyway. She is more orange than LoS without much pink. I would suggest Tamora as an alternative if you’re looking for a compact apricot/pink rose. I have never grown Soul Sister but it is on clearance at Heirloom right now.


    Gillian (zone 5b/6a) Ontario, Canada thanked Dave5bWY
  • 8 years ago

    Thank you Shannon & Dave!

    Your photos are beautiful Shannon! You have me sold on Boscobel...I was on the fence for that one until I saw your pic! Soul Sister is definitely on the list, if I can find her (Darn lack of shipping to Canada!). I'll have to check Fragrant Hour on hmf as well!

    and thank you Dave, most photos of LEH show her with some pink, which is what sold me on her.

    I think between the hubby & I we've decided to get everything suggested (lol) but Tamora will have the spot. I'll have to move Ingrid, I think the soft colours of Tamora and Charlotts will look out of place next to her.

    thank you all! :)

  • 8 years ago

    Thank you Gillian. :-) We are new to growing roses and really enjoying it.

    Does Northland ship to Canada? If so, they have Soul Sister and I’ve recieved great plants from them.

    Gillian (zone 5b/6a) Ontario, Canada thanked Sun2shinie, Arkansas z7a
  • 8 years ago

    Shannon, well you two are doing a wonderful job of it! I've only been growing roses for 4 years, but it's by far the most fun task I've taken on :)

    I'm not sure if Northland does, I'll have to check! I usually order from Palatine, and my garden centre for DA's. I think RVR ships to Canada as well, I'll have to see if they have SS too.

    This fall ill be placing tons of orders, so I better get cracking! Not to rush the season, but Palatine will be taking orders in two and a half months! Better get my list going!

  • 8 years ago

    Lol Gillian, I’ve posted these ‘help me choose’ threads before, and like you, decide to get them ALL. Why choose when you don’t have to? Of course, for me, there’s that little problem of where to put them all, that’s where the ever expanding pot ghetto comes in.

    Shannon,

    I think LEH is a most unique, elegant and distinctly scented variety. But most Austins just don’t last very long in my weather. I grow Soul Sister, she’s a real trooper, always healthy and putting out new growth and blooms. Not as refined in my eyes as LEH, but perhaps much more suited to my rugged environment.

    Gillian (zone 5b/6a) Ontario, Canada thanked BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)
  • 8 years ago

    Gillian- glad you like Acropolis! That's a rose I wouldn't want to be without. You might look at Anne Henderson that Palatine sells too, if you want a more HT form than the fluffy Austin form you get from the roses we've discussed as well. Anne Henderson blooms pretty thickly several times a year and is often cane hardy for me. I'll have to hunt down some pictures tomorrow as I don't have them accessible right here.

    Other Kordes roses like Bliss would include Earth Angel or Cream Veranda if you want to go for a lighter shade, in addition to the Soul Sister that has already come up. Boscobel is a nice Austin and more or less comes back from the winter for me OK but not with surviving cane. Fragrant Hour hasn't come back in two tries for me yet, at least in my yard. It sounds like Tamora and Charlotte will look nice with each other and they're both modest sized Austins that should be similar heights as well.

    Lovely pictures Shannon - you've got an eye for color!

    Cynthia

    Gillian (zone 5b/6a) Ontario, Canada thanked nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska
  • 8 years ago

    Thank you Cynthia. :-)

    Oh yes, Earth Angel is lovely. We put a couple at either side of the base of our deck stairs. The flowers are smaller, but so pretty. It also smells very nice and grows like crazy.

    Yikes! I'm sorry Gillian. I didn't mention above that Fragrant Hour is supposed to be hardy to only zone 6. We received it on accident as a mislabel and Al fell in love with it. I put it in a large pot and moved it into the greenhouse over the winter to be safe. We are in zone 7a, but being in a pot and his favorite I didn't want to take a chance.

    BenT- Wow! Which rose is that? So pretty! I love the orangey roses. :-)

    And your pot ghetto is awesome! I suspect ours will be growing.... lol I placed roses in pots all over the yard, but don't really consider them a ghetto. Then there are a bunch of potted roses mixed in with potted annuals, herbs and such that I consider a sorta kinda pot ghetto. BUT THEN just outside our little greenhouse there are about a dozen roses in 4 gallon nursery pots that I'm not really sure where they will eventually live, ground or bigger pot. Add on to that 1) Al and I just saw a picture of Brass Band yesterday, 2) I want to order from a couple of new nurseries with neat stuff, AND 3) Bella Roma, Purple Lodge, Rosie the Riveter, and Honey Sweet are on the *Must Have* portion of our wishlist....

    Anyway I'm sure our pot ghetto will expand. ;-) LOL

    Here's a picture of our Fragrant Hour from back in May. It doesn't look like this now, but I think that because it's hot and thrips and Japanese bettles are jerks.

    Gillian (zone 5b/6a) Ontario, Canada thanked Sun2shinie, Arkansas z7a
  • 8 years ago

    Shannon,

    Nice Fragrant Hour, hope it smells like its name.

    The orange rose in my pic is Soul Sister. It looks orange in spring, then more apricot like yours in summer. Mine is from Chamblee’s too.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Wow BenT! I don’t think ours has ever been that orange yet. Maybe when it’s older?

    Thank you. :-)

    Oh yes Fragrant Hour smells fantastic. That’s one of the things Al likes so much about it. It actually seems to be more orangey in warmer weather, but again it’s a young plant.