The initial island design. It's shaped this way on the right side due to a very large buffet I purchased. It came in one piece and can only be removed past the island if I ever move.

I'm having a hard time reading the measurements on the plan but if you only have 2'9" between the island and wall oven, I think it will be much too small. I also agree that the wall oven and separate cook top take up too much valuable counter space. You could add a 36" range and put the microwave in the island as suggested. Personally, I prefer the peninsula design minus the round counter top and just a 36" range with the sink and dishwasher placed next to each other. The corner sink makes loading the dishwasher very awkward.

Hard to read the measurements but it doesn't look like you have enough space for that island. The peninsula definitely works better (not that silly round part though). Also, lose the corner sink. Such a waste of space. Most prep happens in the space between the stove and sink which you have very little of. I also agree that the wall oven is a waste of space in this small kitchen. If the fridge doesn't open, get a range move the microwave to the peninsula, and then slide the fridge over. You can add a pantry in the space.

Does the cooktop have to stay on that wall?

You should have fridge, then sink, then cooktop so you don’t cross zones.

I sketched out the suggestion above and you def don't have room for as much seating as your first drawing shows. You need at least 42" of aisle width space (3'6"), which becomes 45" (3'9") once you take countertop overhangs into account.

Here it is with the order emilyam819 suggested:

Thank you all for the comments so far. You have me rethinking some things, which is why I love this site. Sometimes you really need a fresh set of eyes. I really would love to have a way to have seating for 4 somehow. Is that a possibility?

You could have a 36” table with 4 chairs. It would work because it’s movable.

If not a table in lieu of island/peninsula, I think a peninsula is the way to go to get seating for four:

The suggestion to getting a range with ovens below makes a lot of sense.

Townhouses are only so big,, only house so many people, and the kitchens are sized accordingly. Don't shove more stuff than the space can comfortably accommodate or it will always look terrible. Spend your money on base cabinets with pot drawers All of them!

86 the wall oven and range to get the counter space. For the few times you'll need 5 burners, use a portable induction unit or an electric frypan or pressure cooker. Everything doesn't have to be cooked over flame.

I 've had a corner sink........I will never have a corner sink again. A sink in the island is the way to go IMO.

Congratulations on your new place.

Too bad Sophie Wheeler, professional kitchen designer isn't here, she would tell you for real what the straight truth is.

I do think you need the advice of a real kitchen designer, not a kitchen installer.

There are some significant improvements that can be made to your design.

The fridge should be closer to the sink, not so far, as when you take things out of the fridge they need to prepped at the sink.

You should have counter space on both sides of the cook top, that is basic, 15".

Corner sinks are really poor design, and you are doing that without a real reason for it,

A 6 burner cook-top in a town house? Isn't that overkill?

Why not get a 4 burner cook top with the burners placed further apart?

Sectionals are poor design choices for a multitude of reasons, they are clunky and non versatile.

And in your case, your very large sectional as drawn forces you to totally waste the space designed for the dining room.

Why not skip the sectional and get a nice three cushion sofa, maybe an ottoman, and at least two comfy upholstered chairs.

Replace the current door on the patio and get a slider.

Then you can use the space in front of the patio for what it was intended, a dining area.

Then you don't need the chairs around the island.

You can then make the decision of whether to make the island a bit smaller or use a peninsula.

If you use your dining area as it should be used, you don't need an island, use a peninsula, that will give you more counter and storage space, and definitely not the weird shape your installer suggests, a normal shape.

And please, please find a certified kitchen designer.

Thank loolab. I agree with a lot of what you said. The sectional will need to go. But that’s on the back burner for now. I will never ever buy another sectional. But I digress! Lol

I can’t change the door style as it’s a Townhome and everything needs to be uniform. I actually am working with a licensed kitchen designer as well. But I’m still struggling with the designs they all come up with. I like what I’ve seen in the short time this thread has been up much better than my original designs.

And I hear everyone about the cooktop and wall oven. My kitchen designer mentioned whoever built this really pushed it with the cooktop and wall ovens, considering the space I have. As much as I like them, they need to go and be replaced with a range.

Using the dining room as a dining room (and not a family room) solves so many of your concerns! You can keep the sink in the island/peninsula, move the range to the adjacent wall (where course put it), and greatly improve the function of the kitchen.

Use the room you are currently calling the dining room (which is apparently too far from the kitchen to be used as such) into the family room, and you have also increased the overall function of the townhouse by utilizing all the rooms.

Thank you. Moving the dining room is not an option. So I need to figure out a way to make the re-design of the kitchen work. If I can’t get the seating in the kitchen, then I may just have to live with that.

Course411 I like the design you came up with. Do you happen to know if theresa way for me to save that sketch? I tried clicking on it but nothing happens.

You should be able to right click on it to save it....

Thank you! Where would you recommend putting the microwave in your design ?

In the peninsula design I put it under the counter in the peninsula, facing the sink/dishwasher area.

DV-

can you make your patio door look like everyone else's but still make it slide?

It's worth a try to ask your homeowner's association.

p.s. I applaud your bravery in remodeling, it is so stressful, bravo/brava to you!

Thanks loolab. It’s a bit stressful that’s for sure. Lol.

I love the idea about gaining space wth eliminating the wall oven-microwave combo. My only concern is I have a very bad back and bending over with a slide in range concerns me a bit.

Is there anything preventing the walls crossed off being removed? This would solve both of your fridge opening and island size problem. Plus it creates a much more natural circulation.

On the other side of the wall by the frig is a small hallway and powder room. So can’t move them.

Can you swap the dishwasher and the 15" four-drawer base cabinet? When you rinse dishes, having the dishwasher open to receive them will be difficult with the dishwasher right next to the angled sink.

Felix lady thanks for your comment. I’ve definitely decided against the corner sink. The Houzzers wisdom helped me see how wrong that is.