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Installing basement perimeter drain:demo wall or within current floor?

7 years ago

Hi all,

We are planning on installing a perimeter drain along a wall in our basement that will be connected to an existing sump pit. I thought it would be simple since this is an "unfinished" part of our basement, but now realize it may not be. As you can see from the pictures, there is a fully built stud wall in front of a couple of inches of sprayed on closed-cell foam and both the water heater and boiler are hanging on it. There is also the bulkhead door there, which also stands out from the foundation wall due to being build flush with the stud wall.


I know it is preferred to put the trench and drain right up against the wall (uncover the top of the footer+several inches) with a channel to direct any water/moisture that may be on the inside of the lower wall, but I'm wondering if that is definitely worth the concern about how to properly reinforce and demo the bottom of this wall and doorway.


In our case, we believe our water issue stems from a rising water table rather than problems around the foundation. We don't believe we have water penetrating walls anywhere, it rises from cracks in the middle of the floor during seasonal rise if we're not pumping. I know there can be lots of conversation about what may or may not solve our water problems, but the intent of this post is focus on the trade-off of installing the trench and drain tile on the room side of the existing wall instead of along the footer. Looking for the benefits of any instincts or experience.


Thank you!


Lots of stuff on this wall... (this is just about the whole run - 15' from the right of the doorway to the sump pit (gray square cover on left).


Studs in front of 3" of sprayed-on closed-cell foam...

Top of wall also has some complexities to navigate if hanging reinforcements are required...


Comments (2)

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    "... we believe our water issue stems from a rising water table rather than problems around the foundation. We don't believe we have water penetrating walls anywhere, it rises from cracks in the middle of the floor"

    If its a water table rising uniformly under the house why not lower it with a drain in a trench down the middle of the basement? If no water is entering through the walls and/or the slab was installed over a gravel base, there's little need for a drain at the walls.

    pjderosa thanked User
  • 7 years ago

    Thanks RES (I feel like I owe you a retainer at this point:). We are thinking about doing that as well, but have been taking it in steps. Essentially, the water seems to rise through cracks in the corner of this utility room wall (by the door) and then in the middle of the finished space where there is a crack down the middle of the slab. If I pump water out of this corner before it rises to the floor, things stay dry. It does seem ideal to do both trenches and then tie them together with some sort of redundant pumps. A couple things probably pointed me to this utility room first:

    1 - the current temp pump system I've cobbled together (just to the RIGHT of the door in the picture) has been keeping things dry throughout, so I was comfortable with attacking that point. There was some piping laid for future radar collection under that corner and it apparrenty creates good drainage. It's hard to be confident if we do work in another location, especially after we are finding the installed sump location ineffective at collecting enough water without the drain tile installed.

    2 - the finished part has new wall-to-wall (after the last time we thought this problem was solved), so it's somewhat nice not to have to pull it up to do work.

    3 - the sump pit is not close to where the trench in the finished space would go. The option here only required a 15' run to the pit, so a smaller investment that might be enough.

    If this step didn't work, we sketched out that mid-floor trench and how we'd probably connect it to the utility room or add a second sump pit in a closet by one end of the proposed mid-floor trench. This is what raises my questions about whether all the demo work on the various walls are worth it as that is the default approach for these basement systems. I thought I was deferring that question by choosing to just do the "unfinished" space first, but it really didn't avoid the issue.