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First timer sanding and refinishing floor needs assistance

7 years ago

Ive been tasked with sanding and refinishing a living room and a bedroom, i did half of the bedroom with a hand belt sander. Client aquired an essex silver line squared orbital sander so i tried it in the living room and did half of it with 2 60 grits in no time.(exept for the edges of the floor boards, would love an explanation) but yet today i try to use it on the other half and spent nearly all day and 3 60 grit squares to make almost no progress, i would really like to do a good job and am putting in the work to do so, but is it even possible with what i have???
At this point i did alot of research and realize that i essentially skipped at least one other kind of sander, and i have no access to a drumb or an esge sander, i can hand sand so the edge i can live without, but im more or less trying to do stripping with a buffer? Id say it sounds crazy but i did get half the room done and to my inexperienced eye it doesnt look to bad, just a few spots that didnt sand out all the way.
So with what i have at my disposal:
1(big ole squared orbital sander with
4 white pads that have taken a beating
2 60 grit, 4 80 grit, 2 100 grit,
And also 3 36 grit and 2 20s, but it was recommended by someone with knowledge not to use them out of fear of floor damage
2( hand belt sander
3( 2 hand orbital sanders
Will i be able to complete this job successfully and it be done properly and actually look good, Or am i shooting a bb gun at a freight train?
Sand paper for the small ones are purchasable the large ones are unfortunately far out of town. Ive also recently found some paint and varnish stripper but thats also new territory. I was told i need 2 things, Lots of Sand paper and time, lots of time.
I dont have many avenues of help for this project so any and all assistance in any way is(necessary haha) greatly appreciated and i cant thank you enough. If i can get this place fixed up there is an offer to buy that is being considered so if i can accomplish making this place attractive and functional i would have the confidence to inquire. So i thank all of you for reading and dont hesitate to throw anything my way. Thanks again.
Take care internet
Chadd

Comments (20)

  • 7 years ago

    Day one not bad just need the little stuff

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  • 7 years ago

    Day 2 stuck in the mud next to no progress

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  • 7 years ago

    so is the foam pad why its having such a hard time? for the difference between day 1 and 2 are staggering

  • PRO
    7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Yes, it is too soft and just flattens out. Replace it with a stiffer one. Use black if, you need to. And place a sand bag on top.


    Once you remove the finish, you can switch to the softer pads.

  • 7 years ago

    the folks arent sure how many times the floors been redone, the 36 wont be pushing my luck with shaving to much off the floor?

  • 7 years ago

    oh and thank you very much for the advice. im going to try that today

  • 7 years ago

    You've gotten good advice on how to proceed with what you have, personally I'd drive however far I need to to rent a drum sander (and and edger while you're there).

    Check your floor thickness before you have a bad surprise-- it's too late when you start seeing the nail heads. Look for a place at the edges or where there's a floor register where you can see the edge. If you're really concerned drill a hole someplace relatively inconspicuous (but away from the edge) that you can come back and fill with a matching cross-grain plug. Real floor guys may well have a better trick for measuring remaining floor thickness.

    Oh-- and use your sandpaper as if someone else is paying for it.

  • PRO
    7 years ago

    Since you've said you don't have access to a drum sander, I'm assuming you weren't the inexperienced idiot that ground the horrific drum sander marks into the floor as shown in your last picture.


    I'd attempt to take those out with a 50 grit on a 4" wide belt sander with dust collection before going any further.

  • 7 years ago

    @Chadd - To check the thickness of the wood (to see how much 'meat' you have to work with) find a cross section of the floor (super easy: find a floor vent and measure the amount of wood sitting ABOVE the tongue...you need 3mm to complete a full sand and refinish).


    You are getting great advice. The small, light weight machine is slowing you down and the lack of weight is preventing the pads from 'biting' into the finish. In other words the finish is TOUGHER than the pads and therefore the finish is 'winning' whereas your pads are loosing. Add some weight to the machine and stiffen up the pad (as suggested by G & S).


    I applaud your wish to tackle this project in an area with limited access to equipment. As you have discovered your TIME is now the MOST VALUABLE asset at this time. Given the task, you are going to take 3-4 TIMES the amount of time normally needed. Be OK with that. You've started and have found your approach to be less than effective.


    You have reached out at the right time (at the START of the project and not at the end). Good for you. Keep asking questions. It is how EVERYONE learns (do you think Neurosurgeons are born to do what they do?). They are TAUGHT. And let me tell you how many questions they ask during their Internship! HUGE amounts of questions thrown at their Mentors.


    Keep asking = keep learning. You'll get there.

  • 7 years ago

    had to adapt and over come the weight situation. no sand bags haha. but it's worked amazing. but...

  • 7 years ago

    this is what's left for materials on the orbital.

  • 7 years ago

    one of the owners tried to help and left.....this. how the hell, and do I just sand the he'll out of it? hand belt sander maybe? I'm on the 36 with weight and I'm still having a hard time

  • 7 years ago

    only in this area and it's tough. I don't want to use to 20 test. chemical removal?

  • PRO
    7 years ago

    Chadd:


    If you're going to ask for help, please be polite enough to read and comprehend the preceding posts.

  • 7 years ago

    I used a 3 head orbital sander from Home Depot. (I had used a 4 head one on a previous floor that was soooo much faster and better!) I did have to use 20 grit to get to this. The progress is shown.

  • 7 years ago

    I was unaware that was what you spoke of Joseph I apologize, you could have told me those where cheetah track. this is all a learning experience for me.

  • 7 years ago

    Why are you getting paid to do something that is clearly beyond your skill level? How did you BS your way into this? Do you have ANY form of license and insurance? What legitimate business do you actually run? Because you are way out of your lane here.


    You need to hire a real flooring Specialist subcontractor, even if it comes at a loss to you. You’ve already lost any credibility and reputation with the homeowner for taking as long and doing as poor a job as you have. The only way to salvage that is to get the real pro involved that should have been doing the job to begin with.

  • 7 years ago

    I always wanted to be a brain surgeon, but learning and getting experience and all that boring stuff is such a drag.

  • 7 years ago

    I feel like a lot of progress was made today, I'm saving the area with the scuffs for last. and for the green fellas comment. I'm not getting paid for this. this is for a friend in need with nowhere else to turn.