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Countertop options for long island

widdy23
4 years ago

Working through layout options for a kitchen remodel and due to the side of our space a 12 - 13 foot island would be ideal. If we wanted a continuous surface with no seam, are there any new materials out there to pull that off (except wood or laminate)? Thus far the max I can find is about 10.5 feet.

Comments (28)

  • Rachel
    4 years ago

    Neolith comes in 144" slabs.

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    Kristin Petro Interiors, Inc.
    4 years ago

    Quartz manufacturers offer jumbo size slabs that measure only up to 132". Two slabs will be required for a 12-13' island. It might be possible to find a natural stone slab that size, but it certainly won't be easy. You also have to make sure a slab that size can be maneuvered into your space.

    I suggest you go back to the drawing board in terms of design. I don't think a 12-13' island is ideal in most circumstances. There are likely other ways to design your space to include a more reasonably-sized island.

  • widdy23
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Thanks Rachel, I'll check that out! Have you ever worked with it previously or seen it in person?

    Kristen - here is a drawing I've been playing around with. At 10.5 feet, I have a lot of open space to the right of my island, thus my thoughts to go a bit bigger? (green) One square equals a square foot.

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    Kristin Petro Interiors, Inc.
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    That's an incredibly large kitchen. By any chance, are you combining an existing dining room and kitchen?

  • widdy23
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Yes, that is the plan, and then enlarge the existing kitchen nook to fit a large dining table.

  • Rachel
    4 years ago

    @widdy23 I have seen it in person, specifically at Hilton Hotel Boston and one of the showrooms listed here: https://www.neolith.com/en/projects/

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    Beth H. :
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    have you thought about doing book matched slabs? This way you can have your long island w/perfectly matched seams. of course you'd need find the right fabricator that could do this.












    look into porcelain too


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  • live_wire_oak
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    A 250K 14x26 kitchen is disproportionate to all but a 10,000 square foot home. Unless you have that size house and that size budget, you might want to rethink this. Just the island counter alone will be 6-12K. Then there’s all those cabinets.

  • widdy23
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Here is my existing kitchen. Although not small, there is a bottle neck around the fridge/microwave/coffee/dishes in the morning. I also feel like I don't have great prep space. We aren't formal dining people and never use that space, this the idea to enlarge our kitchen.

  • live_wire_oak
    4 years ago

    Bigger isn’t better. You need better, not bigger.

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    Beth H. :
    4 years ago

    10ft is a long island. why don't you tape it off on the floor and see how it would work to walk around.

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    Kristin Petro Interiors, Inc.
    4 years ago

    I recently designed for this same situation. In order to reduce the size/scale of the kitchen space, we included a large walk-in pantry closet in the former dining space.

    This pushed the short wall of the kitchen toward the opposite wall. The client was able to include less-expensive cabinetry in the pantry and the island finished at 9'. Below is the finished pantry and the framing of the kitchen to show the pantry placement.


    I think by doing this, your kitchen will be in much better proportion to the rest of the home (unless you live in an extremely large home).

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  • James Bennett
    4 years ago

    I don't see the problem with the long island. My kitchen is 18 x 20, so only four square feet less, and my house isn't 10,000 square feet or even half that. I also have a separate breakfast area, formal dining room and walk in pantry that isn't included in that 18 x 20. Looking at your sketch, it would appear that only one side would be used for cooking so I'm not sure being able to do laps around it have an extra benefit. Your kitchen is long regardless of the island. Whether you have the island or not, your walking that distance.

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  • live_wire_oak
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    ”Whether you have the island or not, your walking that distance.”

    Which is the whole problem. That too far. Too big. Too much. No leg should be more than 9’. Big is not better. Big is usually worse. This is worse. Big has to have multiple work stations with multiple sources of water and carefully planned traffic flow. Even then, big is hugely expensive.



  • James Bennett
    4 years ago

    I don't see a leg in the sketch that is more than 9 feet. The fridge to sink in the island looks to be about 6-8 feet, stove to sink appears to be about 4-6 feet. Fridge to stove may be about 10 feet. Only issue seems to be the ovens which would be more than 9 feet from the fridge. Shrinking the island doesn't solve that.

  • widdy23
    Original Author
    4 years ago
    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><md>Thanks all for your comments, you have given me a lot to consider, which I truly appreciate.

    LWO - The longest leg is about 10 ft, but not to often would I go from fridge to cooktop. I'll likely prep first then move there. Unfortunately the side we aren't using is because of a staircase. We've considered a coffee nook there, but that's about it. That is why the kitchen is so long and all on one side.

    Kristen - Thanks for the photos and idea. That was something I suggested to my hubby early on, but he wanted more windows, so I gave up on it. I'll play around with that a bit more.
  • widdy23
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    James - glad to hear you like your kitchen! Our house is 3490 sqft, but also the heart of our home. We have taped it off and feel okay about 10.5 ft island.

    Beth - Thanks for your suggestions, more to consider if we do go bigger!

  • WestCoast Hopeful
    4 years ago

    Widdy you will be so happy you stuck with one solid piece of material. We did for our island and actually shrunk it slightly to make it so. Extremely pleased with the result!

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  • James Bennett
    4 years ago

    Your kitchen is laid out very similar to mine. Only difference is where your sink and dishwasher are located, is the entrance to my pantry. I know I sinned mightily and one of the legs on my triangle is 11 feet. I'm tall and a long strider so it takes me about one extra step. The 11 foot leg is fridge to cooktop. All other legs are about 4-5 feet. I rarely go fridge to cooktop so I was fine with that. My prep island is 7 feet long but I have a second island (gasp) that is 20 feet long but L shaped. Each side is 10 feet long and I did that purposely since finding a nice countertop longer than 10 feet would be difficult. That island is the bottom right where your pantry is and forms the corner of the kitchen. That is more the serving and cleanup area of the kitchen. Most people on here would have a problem with it but I like it. If I sell my house and someone starts measuring my triangle, I'll deal with it then. Anyways, staying though to 10 feet would probably be ideal to maintain one piece. Regarding the size of the room, it's about 10% the total square footage of your house. I'm assuming this where your family spends a majority of the time together so it should be one of the bigger spaces. My kitchen and breakfast area account for 12% of my square footage. It's also the one area where family and guests spend the most time together. It's why it's the largest section of the house.

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    Kristin Petro Interiors, Inc.
    4 years ago

    When doing waterfall ends, you have to take them in account when calculating the overall width of the slab. In other words, if the island top is 10', you need 16' of solid countertop surface. If it's a solid color or minimal movement, you can use multiple slabs. But if the top has a pattern, you should match it to the waterfall ends, like we did here. So in this case, you should use bookmatch slabs and put a seam in the middle.


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  • widdy23
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Thanks again James and Kristen! (We are only a family of four, but have a lot of extended family visit often - so I know a big island would be utilized!)


    Per the suggestion of The Cook's Kitchen - I've posted my existing footprint in a separate thread. If you have any ideas, happy to listen. https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5843042/a-year-and-a-half-of-planning-with-nothing-to-show-for-it-help

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    3 Peaks Renovations
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    In relation to your specific question, it's difficult in finding natural stone slabs such as granite,onyx,marble etc. in that length,as was previously noted above by others.

    We installed a 18 foot long custom built, heavy gauge stainless steel counter top in a clients home last year. With a good local custom fabricator in your area, they should be able to make you ANY length counter top in any thickness & finish you require with NO seams visible. Sinks can also be seamlessly installed with a good fabricator... One feature I designed on another clients home was to build a sort of channel on the backside of the stainless counter top in to which a granite slab was then slid into for the purpose of a raised bar. A liive edge wood slab could also be used with the same principal for a warmer look.

    I've used custom spec/built stainless counter tops in both of my own last 2 homes.

    Personally, I like to break up the monotony of the never ending granite counter tops/granite back splashes which seem to proliferate the industry these days.

    A bonus is the low maintenance & above all practicality of the surface compared to most stones. Prices will vary depending on design/size/finish etc, but should still be less than say granite per sq/ft of finished counter.

    Good luck :)

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    Joseph Corlett, LLC
    4 years ago

    With Corian and other solid surfaces, you can have a "seamless" island as large as you please.

  • Design Girl
    4 years ago

    Have you thought about doing two islands with a space to pass in between. I have seen this in a large space and it looks great and allows you to choose many stone options.

  • widdy23
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Design Girl - Our architect originally suggested that idea. At the time I couldn't find any images I loved with two, I'll poke around on that again, thanks.

  • M Miller
    4 years ago

    SawHorse Design has posted these videos and link on ELEVEN POSTS IN THE LAST HOUR. I am submitting a complaint for excessive SPAM.

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    SOLID SURFACE SPECIALIST
    4 years ago

    Corian Solid Surface - can be made as long and big as wanted with so visual seams.