I have both. Am partial to Clair Matin, a climber, because it is a constant bloomer and has a faint but sweet smell. Both blooms are similar and I really like Cornelia but if I had to choose, my vote would go to Clair Matin.

Thanks very much alameda!

Just noticed that Heirloom has Clair Matin on sale for $30. Forgot to mention - this rose is one of the first to bloom in spring.

Oh dear is that another rose I need?

Cornelia drove me crazy with her brown blooms blended with new blooms . Absolutely crazy .

Otherwise , smells good , pretty healthy. I just could not love it :(

Just have to go to bat for Cornelia...she drops clean here in our humidity, and smells so divine. I love her delicate shell pink clusters. :-)

I have Clair Matin and here's a pic from last year.

This rose grows well in partial shade and is moderately fragrant. In her original spot in the front yard she had six foot arching canes which made her too big for the spot she was in. I moved her to the back yard and nearly killed her in the process. She's been recovering this past year and is getting ready to grow back to her previous size.

Here's a photo from her front yard days.

I don't have any experience with Cornelia so I can't offer a comparison.

Jen - don't get this rose - it's too big for your yard! :))

Ann

This is why you need advice from those nearby rather than jealous Northerners! :-)

Haha Ann !! Thanks . I am a total glutton for punishment so I have awakening and compassion in my heirloom cart right now ! Lol I am going to do large barrels for climbers . I don’t think we will live at this house more than 3 years so I’m rolling with that . Claire is beautiful!!

Perma I’m so glad Cornelia is good for you. Everyone always raves about it ! I could never shovel prune mine even though I desperately wanted too , I kept thinking it was going to wow me like it did other people. It’s so pretty in pics!

vapor I think it’s so great getting input from everyone!! Marigold , did we help at all ?!?! Lol

Jen - so you're going to keep your roses portable for the move to your next yard! Awesome! Get all the barrels you can fit in the yard, then start shopping!

Ann

I already pre-ordered Lyda Rose from Heirloom (they're running low on her), I already have Lyda but I love her and I had to get another one! Now it's across between Matin and Cornelia which would be placed in a semi shaded spot. Thanks for the insight everyone, it's appreciated!

Marigold I don’t have any advice just wanted to chime in and say I’m in the same boat as you but I’ve already decided. Next shopping round I will be getting Cornelia to go in a semi shady spot. She will live with hosta and peonies! And some black heuchera.

Oursteelers I'm leaning towards Clair Matin. I don't know if you have Lyda Rose. If you don't you may want to consider it. One of the roses I purchased at Heirloom didn't make it, so instead of getting the same rose again I got Lyda rose and I was so impressed and surprised at how grand she turned out that I pre-ordered another one. "Lyda Rose. Thrives in considerable shade, a very healthy. floriferous and highly fragrant rose. The sprays of bloom are large and lovely, but the individual flowers are exquisite in their own right as well."

OMG Clair Matin is beautiful! I can just imagine 6ft arched canes of frilly pink little blooms! Upon googling Clair Matin some sites say 15ft! Now I must get one!

Does Lyda really only stay 5ft in a warm climate? Fell in love with Lyda Rose from the Rosomanes blogspot lol.

So I really want something in the cream/blush/peach range and fragrant. Which is why I landed on CornlElia. I feel Lyda is more closely related to the cooler camps?

There is also Felicia!

Lisa’s Felicia is absolutely stunning!! Look it up tina :)

ok now how much shade can Lyda take I wonder .. part of my garden really gets a lot and I don’t know what to plant there! This new zone has me befuddled sometimes. Because full sun is very intense and shade still can get some sun ...

I love Lyda Rose! I have two and the happier one grew 3-4 feet it’s first year. The less happy one (slightly less sun and poor soil, just 18 inches like a miniature rose but also lots of blooms. I have Cornelia, but no flowers last year. Maybe I will see some in the second year this spring. Here is the happier Lyda Rose.

I have Felicia coming in the spring but isn’t she more in the warm colors?

More warm compared to Lida but I consider Cornelia warm also.

Felicia

Cornelia

Cornelia with Viking Queen

Stephanie, is Lyda Rose a good once bloomer, sporadic repeat, or does she bloom alot in flushes? Seems I read someplace she was more of a once bloomer..........lovely rose! I have hesitated to order as I would like more of an all season bloomer. Beautiful photos!

Here's my Lyda Rose

Another view of Lyda, she got larger than expected considering

our NY climate.

My Lyda Rose is at least six years old and she's almost a continuous bloomer in my 9b climate. This photo is from her first flush last spring.

When Lyda was first planted she was in the shade. I removed the large shrubbery that was shading her and she grew quickly. She was just pruned a few days ago and I think her width was over six feet, with a height of about 4.5. She's creating some unwanted shade to roses near her so I'm going to keep her smaller this year. Lyda is a bee magnet!

Ann

Ann , did Lyda bloom in shade for you even if small ? I have a shade area I am at a loss for . These are beautiful photos!!

Lyda Rose has always been a good bloomer. Here's a pic from when it was in the shade. This was spring 2017 when it was starting year three I think.

Ann

Oh how lovely ! I have room for her then. I’ll try her and some hydrangeas:)

Lyda is also almost a continual bloomer here too and I'm in NY :)

To those who grow Lyda Rose in warm climates and some shade--- would you say she blooms more than Ballerina? I need to add to a shade prone bed. Already have a climbing pinkie, which I learned on this site is primarily a once yr. bloomer. I will probably remove Pinkie after its spring flush, no time or energy for limited bloom roses. Thxs All, BR

I don’t have any experience with Ballerina so I can’t comment on the comparison with LR.

Ann

Lyda is a beautiful rose, have always admired her! Going to find a place for this rose now you all have said she blooms more than once. Lupe's Buttons is a similar rose I have that blooms like Lyda. Anyone have it?

My one year old Lyda Rose gave at least 3 flushes last year....possibly 4.

hello, I found this thread looking for info about Clair Matin, she is so lovely! I would like to grow it along as a climber along a wire fence (almost 6' tall, very long) which has a lot a sun all day, the summer is very hot and dry, especially the afternoon sun is very strong (zone 7a/b). would it be a good choice? Somebody said her canes are rather stiff and i couldn't train her along the fence... could you please give me some input, ideas?

I adore my Clair Matin! During our "snowmageddon" this winter, I lost most of Cornelia - a little bit is still hanging on but if it dies, I dont care. Not a great bloomer. Clair, on the other hand, survived the arctic blast like a champ! It blooms its head off, way more than Cornelia, and has the sweetest, light scent. Love the color - love everything about it. I dont think the canes are that stiff. I can do pretty much whatever I want with them - they arent floppy.......but are easy for me to bend back to put on my long trellis where I have Clair. It is quite big but doesnt take over. I do keep it trimmed, get off the dead wood, to keep it neat. I can fertilize, and here it comes again with a fresh set of blooms. I highly recommend it!! I am in east Texas, 2 hours from Houston. I dont know how hardy it would be up north..........

Judith

Agree on Cornelia. I don't care if mine die either. Cornelia is NOT a good bloomer in partial shade, and Excellenz von Schubert is much better (more fragrant).

@murasaki_rx I don't have Clair Matin so I can't give any comment about it. Have you been considering Renae? It's also a climbing floribunda and acts like a rambler, except that it reblooms. Renae's long canes are soft and easy to train. And, it's really thornless. I always feel grateful pruning or tieing Renae especially after dealing with vicious New Dawn. There is a big plus that it has strong fragrance. Maybe it can be another candidate for your fence project.

thanks so much for the replies, good to know that Clair matin's canes are not that stiff, she surely looks charming!

i can't get Renae here in Europe, haven't seen it on any roses site i've checked...

Cornelia can be very pretty and very fragrant but for me it has never been a strong grower.

Cornelia

I bought Clair Matin a couple of years ago or 1 1/2 years ago so my plant is not very big yet. It is in part shade and wantst to bloom but in part shade it gets some blackspot here.

I love Lyda Rose also. Mine's planted in part shade under a crabapple tree, and it is really showing itself to be a tough rose that wants to bloom.

I think Lyda Rose's individual blooms have more shadings in them than Ballerina and they are a little bigger.

I just bought Lyda Rose, it is still in a pot. Does it like to climb or make a shrub? It looks beautiful.........

Clair Matin is a great rose.

@Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca- IME, the Noisette Narrow Water is EXCELLENT in shade in a hot and sunny climate. I have 2 that are in what seems to me to be real shade,and they do well. This is also one of those Noisettes that seem to have zero disease issues in my garden, even with only rainfall for water https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.4433 

I had two Lyda roses.... both died last year in back to back brackish flood.

I grew both of mine as bushes not as climbers.

Lyda rose didn't like my soaking wet poor-drainage clay and died through zone 5 winter.

My Lyda Rose is now 3rd year and a self supporting shrub 5 feet tall and 3 feet wide