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Removing a window—what to do with brick exterior!

6 years ago

We recently purchased an “older” home—circa 1984— and are about to do an complete gut and remodel of the kitchen. We are removing a wall between the kitchen and living room, which means taking away wall space for cabinets!

There is a window in an awkward place that we plan to remove. Has anyone done this and have thoughts/experience about what to on the exterior? We can’t match the brick perfectly!

Thanks!

Comments (34)

  • PRO
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Is there a spot you could remove bricks from to fill the space and replace those with something else. Sometimes a wall where some plantings could be used to cover up the odd bricks you use for replacement. These are a couple of ideas where yo leave the window in place



  • PRO
    6 years ago

    IMO that window is pretty essential. Please don't remodel your kitchen and then load it up with walls of upper cabinets. kitchen styles these days are pretty minimal. A pantry of some sort is essential and base cabinets can hold lots of items. Maybe post the plan.





  • 6 years ago

    I get it. I do like windows and enjoy having them. Essential is a stretch. The kitchen is right next to a large sunroom with wall to wall windows. It is an “interior” kitchen, meaning that it’s has only 2 walls of cabinets, and when we open up the wall into the living area, we lose the only other wall for cabinets. I’m working with a designer and architect, and don’t really need kitchen design thoughts—just trying to brainstorm, and maybe see pics of, how exteriors are worked around when the brick isn’t going to match perfectly.

    I’ve posted a pic of the sunroom with wall to wall windows. Also posted a pic of the COMPLETE dead space that the aforementioned window causes :/
    Of course we have considered just taking out the bottom half of the window and running the cabinetry below. The problem of the exterior will still have to be addressed. :)

  • 6 years ago

    This is the ONLY wall of cabinets we will have when we remove the wall into the living area. It isn’t much

  • 6 years ago

    Clearly, this would require a skilled brick layer or some such individual.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwbGuN9N3Ws

    https://www.masonrymagazine.com/blog/2015/05/27/brick-matching-101/


  • PRO
    6 years ago

    Upper cabinets typically house glassware. I have only one upper cabinet in my whole kitchen housing cups, wine glasses, regular glasses etc. I have all base cabinets that house my dishes, pots & pans, appliances, bowls, bakeware etc.,plus one tall cabinet as a pantry.


  • 6 years ago

    I think Patricia is on the right track with her suggestion to pull bricks from another area that are an exact match (such as the back of the garage, or similar), then use "new" bricks that are a close match for that unseen area. A skilled brick layer / mason should be able to closely match.

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    When we did an extensive re-model on our much older home (built in 1921), the architect knew all sorts of skilled tradesmen who were able to replace/replicate the finishes we needed to,including brick work. Frankly, the issue was more one of the cost involved not their inability to do so. (umm, that's why my kitchen does not have the level of cabinetry that the butler's pantry has ;-) If you can't get a perfect match by "stealing" from a less visible area, then what is your architect's plan?

  • 6 years ago

    We have discussed possibly using wood paneling as an accent wall on the back patio to cover the area. We have discussed attempting to match bricks as closely as possible but laying them in a “herringbone” pattern as to create an accent and detract from the look of them not being perfectly matched. I’m just trying to research ideas! There aren’t many pictures and resources out there, so i thought i would check here :) It has been helpful!!

  • 6 years ago

    You say you can't match the brick perfectly so just want to clarify that you have you taken photos of your brick to a brick yard/s and have asked if it is still available? Has the designer or architect given you any ideas?

  • 6 years ago

    "We have discussed possibly using wood paneling as an accent wall on the back patio to cover the area. We have discussed attempting to match bricks as closely as possible but laying them in a “herringbone” pattern as to create an accent and detract from the look of them not being perfectly matched."

    I think doing either of these will only highlight the difference. Unless it can somehow be made to look intentional and part of an overall design.

  • 6 years ago

    Hard to believe that any brick is impossible to find , but the idea of stealing some from an area where landscaping covers them and using the “less perfect” match there sounds viable. I wouldn’t add wood to the exterior to cover an area where you take out matching bricks. Just find a place where a bunch of bushes cover it up anyway.
    BTW your house is beautiful.

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    Recycling brick is possible, but hardly cost effective. Megabucks.

  • 6 years ago

    Cover with a faux barn door?

  • 6 years ago

    This is what my home looks like.


    (Listing photos - I have painted the garage door and de-landscaped / re-landscaped . . . . )


    I think the panels add interest to the brick exterior. These were original and not added to cover windows but depending on where the window is located you could possibly do something like this and make it feel like part of the intended design.






  • 6 years ago

    My MIL closed up an odd window in her kitchen (on the side of her house) with plywood sheeting, Tyvek and then put "closed shutters" over it. Does it look perfect? No, but it doesn't look horrible either. I don't know that I'd go to the trouble and expense of stealing bricks from somewhere else and then having to pay to have them reinstalled. If this window is only visible on the back of your house, I'd do something similar to my MIL and call it a day. In the end, the functionality of your kitchen should trump the rear exterior aesthetic. I would caution, however, that her window was a single window instead of a double window.

    Where do you plan to put your kitchen sink? Could you just shorten the windows and put your sink in front it? Then you could do a painted panel at the bottom that blends in with the brick.

  • 6 years ago

    If you haven't, contact this company and see if they can help you with matching your brick.

    https://www.beldenbrick.com/

  • 6 years ago

    Just to add to the matching brick discussion, I found out yesterday that older brick is harder to match both in size and texture. The brick company I visited explained that older brick (our house was built in the early 70's) is not the same length as modern brick. Most brick these days is queen size which is taller than than older brick and also not as long as some of the older brick. Most modern modular brick is the same height but still not the same length. It shouldn't matter too much on our project because the entire house will be painted so the brick differences will be less noticeable. In your case, however, it might be a lot more noticeable. That's why I'd go the less expensive route of doing a wood insert/paneling and painting it a color that coordinates with the brick.

  • 6 years ago

    https://www.beldenbrick.com/brick-dimensions-guide.asp


    shead- out of curiosity, is your 70's brick size in this guideline?

  • 6 years ago

    @tedbixby1981, ours would fall under "Standard" according to that chart.

  • 6 years ago

    In the past couple of yrs I've done a lot of talking to different brick yards in trying to match up a brick. I found that if a brick yard doesn't recognize your brick, then they'll tell you what they told you. I did find my match at Belden and expressed my concern that the texture and color being different than when the house was built 20 yrs ago but they reassured me that it will be an exact match as where they are mining the clay is the same place and would still match even if my house was much older. They told me the process is different than taking granite out of the earth where you get different variations. I also made sure I talked to someone at these places that had worked there for a long time. Newer people weren't as knowledgeable. So for what it is worth, that was my experience. As it ended up, I'm adding some windows so the brick I need will come from those areas.


    And shead- glad you got your issue resolved.

  • 6 years ago

    Maybe you can make it look intentional by putting a planter or serving table in front of it?

  • 6 years ago

    I think most people would consider that window "essential" as it is the only way to keep an eye on swimmers. You have plenty of light and view, but could fail to know that your child was drowning (also steaks burning and other things, but this is the biggest).


    This seems like matchable brick. Remove the lower sill and fill in. A metal panel would be my second choice unless you have sections of wood panel other places.


    Philadelphia is full of homes built in the 1700s, and you can get bricks to match that size, shead, so you may be getting a line unless the color/finish on your bricks was one of the 1970s fads that have died an overdue death.

  • 6 years ago

    Something like white brick might be hard to find. We were able to recycle bricks from a chimney, I wonder if necessary, there might be a source of reclaimed brick?

  • 6 years ago

    Leave the window on the outside and drywall over it on the inside.

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Perhaps if you post a photo of the whole exterior back of the house that might help us come up with ideas.. as of right now we are making suggestions without any idea how they would look with what is existing.

  • 6 years ago

    Have you considered changing the windows for shorter ones beneath which you could add a sideboard style cabinet or kitchen base cabinets rather than removing the windows entirely?


    You'd not necessarily need to match the brick because you could trim the area beneath the windows as an "accent" trim using vertical boards (board&batt) with the same (likely treated) boards of your deck with the same finish as your deck.


    You could use the same kind of window -- raises up.


    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/86342517830332984/?lp=true


    You could choose an entirely different style of window -- sliding/pass thru.


    https://www.trustedhomeprofessionals.com/windows/sliding/


    Add an overhang above the windows, perhaps metal and clear material.


    https://www.google.com/search?q=metal+frame+clear+shelter+over+door+attached+to+house&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjG15_JpfrmAhVmUd8KHTGvA00Q_AUIrQIoAQ&biw=1366&bih=628#spf=1578702629090



    Then add a deck bar beneath the windows (perhaps out of your waterproof kitchen countertop material) on the exterior deck side of the windows just beneath the window seal. You'd then have no need to match the older brick.


    There are top hinge windows if you want the "countertop" to be a wide one that is above the counter inside and out ... but they don't seem very energy efficient.




  • 6 years ago

    @acm, I'm sure it's possible our brick could have been found but we are in rural KY so the expense and time to travel to search for it simply isn't all that necessary since we need less than 3000 bricks total. Ours is being painted so an exact match isn't needed, just similar size and texture.

  • 6 years ago

    Not a pro. Have you tried asking a mason to match the brick? He or she may know more about it than your architect or designer. Supposing a perfect match is impossible, I think I would rather have a near match in the regular pattern than anything else, especially if you could keep the upper portion of the windows. Hopefully it wouldn’t be too noticeable, and to me patched brick on an old house seems perfectly acceptable whereas a new design element may detract from it.

  • 6 years ago

    We removed a window from our 35 year old home and had it bricked over. Our masons were amazing. You cannot tell where the brick was patched. if it wasn't so cold out I'd take a pic for you (; A seamless patch job is possible

  • 6 years ago

    We removed a window and patched the brick. Our contractor was amazing. You can't see the seams at all.

  • 6 years ago

    We are contemplating moving a wall between our kitchen and bathroom. The challenge is a small window right in the middle of where the new wall would need to go. This is a 1956 brick house and the window involved is original (nearly all the windows in the house have been replaced by the former owners, but this one was not). It's a metal (? aluminum ? steel) frame, crank type opening. The glass is pebbled for privacy. The window is on the back of the house and overlooks our covered back deck. My first thought was to caulk around the seams to waterproof it and add a shallow shelf in the opening on the outside. But now I'm wondering if we could just leave the window in place (with the textured glass the interior doesn't even show). We could cover it up on the inside, add insulation??? and on the outside it would look the same. Would that even work? Would there be a problem with moisture? Has anyone done something like this?