Jan-

I've seen the same trend lately, as well. My own theory is that, when people put a lot of energy into their dream [fill in the room of your choice] and there is a minor issue, it can get magnified out of proportion, at least temporarily. And I'm qualified to advance this theory because I've let it happen to me several times in the past. ;-)

If the cabinet was designed with the stile, you can't simply remove the stile and have the cabinet work as designed. Cabinets without stiles have substitute support, e.g. different shelves. I went through this in my recent build.

You are underestimating the weight of your dry goods.

Not being able to reach or see into the top shelves seems way more problematic than having the centerpiece block your view of the cornflour.

Hi guys sorry if wasn’t clear. We have 2 sets of 42 cabinets. One was going to be for dry food. And the other for dishes cups ...

The weight of everything you will use those cupboards for, will really add up. Our pantry has extra heavy duty shelves just for that reason.

Right. Seems like I will just have to reorganize my stuff in a diff manner

Finally, the not great answer to the issue. We didn't get to see the whole kitchen which would leave most of us wondering if you had any decent help designing it. I still can't think of a worse place for dry goods.

Plans fridge is on another wall and island in middle

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" I still can't think of a worse place for dry goods."

Really? If it is the containers of "in use/active" flour, rice, beans, polenta, etc then what is the problem with having them IN the kitchen as opposed to the pantry? We use rice, polenta, or orzo once a week each and they are small, so they live in an upper cabinet right next to the fridge (along with breadcrumbs now that I think about it). Pantry space is more for cans, pasta or cereal boxes, jars.

It is funny that earlier in the thread you bemoan posters who get overly upset over seemingly small details, but then something like where a person chooses to store rice is just sooo awful to you that it is the worst choice imaginable.

I always assume there is a lot I don't know that makes an odd choice totally rational.
Maybe they have toddlers and hate when they get into the kitchen and start flinging rubbermaid containers around ... so they use lower cabs for stockpots and other heavy items and keep the flingables up high. Give people the benefit of the doubt, it costs nothing and rewards your soul.

Attached is my sketches. The kitchen is installed. Obv everyone is entitled to their opinion. What I’m saying is when I designed it I kind of had a vision where to put all my stuff. Once we move in I’m sure it will be rearranged many many times until the location is set.
I’m not here to critic my layout.i was simply asking, a structural question regarding stiles. And yes my kitchen was planned to be the most functional considering we have little kids in my so no, heavy dishes optimally can’t be in a drawer etc... so that’s what my question was about. And I got my answer that I just need to shift my vision and reset my appliances and dish-ware once we move in. And yes I do I have a pantry but I had other usage plans for that too .. so I’ll just play it by ear once we settle in

I see you have two ranges........ . so I guess you have your reasons ": ) and a lot of beans.

The whole thing is even confusing me more now. Who the heck designed this kitchen? I know lots of people think I am rude and I probably am often .But really who was the one that decided the pantry was not for food to start and if this is a kosher kitchen then even more reason for better planning. I think I need a glass of wine now, want to join me Jan ( actually I drink scotch)

Guys. I mentioned this is not for critique of layout. I said I will post layout so I did. There was a reason for all in designing this kitchen. And again as said item layout will prob be done multiple times until we make it best suited for us
(As it goes for everyone else when they move )

We hear you . Move in and be happy. But you have to forgive us for looking for ways to help people see OPTIONS, and forgive us when we don't have all the info. .........which we don't have. I'm sure , as is Patricia, that there were reasons. But it also seems you had a cabinet maker seller and perhaps not a pro KD. Or you like it the way you're used to it Or.......

It's the internet : ) You're gonna get all the advice you wanted and all you never wanted. Every time.

Rocks please, Patricia, Dewars, short "pail"

Thanks !

I had two cabinets Amish built and both are 48” wide with no center style.

What does Amish built mean? Any sagging ? @lidia

It’s a custom no name brand cabinet. So far no sagging, it’s built very well.

The Amish people are known for custom wood fabrication. There are Amish all over the country, particularly Pennsylvania.

That said? Leave the blasted cabinet alone. Please?

You worked with a kitchen store/ cabinet joint. A custom is different and I care Amish or not. Stability is lost on shelving that exceeds 36 inches , unless brackets beneath. Drawer storage is not recommended to exceed 36 either!

Dont wreck it. Re arrange and re think storage.

Ps? Dishes in drawers are fantastic for kids. They can unload a dishwaher! They can easily reach in to set a table! You had options. You were stuck on your idea, perhaps.

I hear I hear loud and clear

Jan is correct regarding the craftsmanship. Here are photos of two large cabinets we had made, one in the kitchen for our cabinet pantry and the other in a bathroom off the guest bedroom suite. The kitchen one has a OTC microwave/convection Kitchen Aid installed inside (used only when open) and it weights nearly 45lbs. But it is also attached to the back with reinforcements.

That’s a beauty!!!

Here are the actual dimensions...

Ur making me drool lol!!

Talk to the cabinet maker. Ours made a couple mistakes (put doors where they weren’t supposed to be) and rectified them without question. Communication is key, just start the conversation, you may be pleasantly surprised.

I’m speaking with hi. Hopefully Tom. But based off what I’m hearing her it seems like it will be unstable ! Hence our entire convo here pretty much all agreed with that here

Good luck!

I don't really understand how this thread is still going. You can't take the stile out. Period. The shelves need the support, the frame of the cabinet needs the support. It isn't for looks, it is 100% required structurally on that cabinet. I'm sure you can find some idiot to cut it out and tell you it will be okay, but it won't be.

Don't take it out.

Nidia, you're trying to equate a cabinet that is solidly supported by the floor with a wall hung cabinet. Different forces at play so the cabinets have different structural needs. A cabinet sitting on the floor doesn't have the weight of the cabinet and the contents trying to tear it away from the wall.

Aside from that, the length of your shelves and the minimal thickness (3/4")....not suitable for anything much other than stemware. For sure, I wouldn't load it up with books, crockery, stoneware, service ware or canned goods because the shelves will sag. Even with nothing on them, they will sag a little over time just because of gravity.

Next time I go to the doctor and am asked how much I drink?..................................

Lets sing the "Frozen " song So I can really scream aloud. Yes "Virginia" It will BE unstable. There is no Santa Claus. . Let. It. Go

https://youtu.be/L0MK7qz13bU

Ok ok ok ok :):): ty all

The stile is needed. As it would be needed in any properly designed cabinet wider than 36”. Going wider than that without a stile needs to have beefed up specifications, such as 3/4” with 3/4” plywood shelving with an attached solid nosing piece. Even then, there is a limit to materials endurance. 48” with no center shelving support is much too wide to not have issues down the road with deflection. Even with 3/4” material. Just because someone will build that, does not make it structurally sound for the long term.

Amen

"The deflection of a 42 inch shelf at 50 lbs per linear foot is about 1/16" across the entire shelf."

Yeah, for about 10 minutes. Unsupported, those shelves will sag 1/2" within a year under load.

Would love to see but they all said it’s diff . With floor and wall cabinet @bry911

Tell you what, You aren't gonna be happy until you chop the darn thing out. So stop asking, wishing hoping and go ahead. When you see LIGHT maple shelf edges through the doors, ( where they meet ) or just a gap you don't like? Don't whine.

You could have had four 21 inch cabinets for heavens sake. Separated beans from rice ! Or 30, 30 24 for all we know.

The real bottom line is no factory cabinet will come the way you wanted it in that width. .That's what you have.Factory cabinets. From the kitchen store. Just do it. Call Bry11 if they sag.

I don't know about anyone else, but if that's a custom Amish cabinet upthread, count me underwhelmed: definitely no Amish in my future plans.

I'm also confused about the mathematical calculation of deflection a few posts up with no reference to the thickness of the shelves or the type of wood being used. And then there's the matter of wood fatigue with aging.

Didn’t know my stile is such a hot issue oops!

BR, can you tell us what the shelf is made of and how thick it is? It looks very thin. I wondered whether the shelf is permanently attached to the front and back of cabinet (where the stile is) or is it adjustable with pins at the back and at the stile like Bry911 asked? The shelf looks like a laminated shelf and I know nothing about them and how strong they are. So let us know about the shelf, please. Does the manufacturer say how much weight the shelf can hold as built? You could weigh everything you want to put there or on the other wide shelf.

In regards to removing the stile, won't there be a gap between the doors? I can't really tell.

Pam A, I agree!

In the last few weeks, I have read some snippy comments on Houzz, and they seem to happen a lot in the design forum. That used to never happen when the forum was Garden Web. People are under no obligation to answer posts, so if someone's question or answer irritates you, just don't respond. Likewise, people do not have to believe your opinion whether or not you are an expert. There is no reason at all to get irritated and criticize someone's concern. Save your sanity and the poster's! BR would not have asked her question if she was not concerned. This forum is for homeowners, too, not just experts.

Be Thumper!

Thank for that! I appreciate that a lot!

3/4” veneered plywood full depth adjustable shelf with matching PVC edge banding (Base cabinet shelf depth 18”). Typo before

3/4” plywood shelves are pretty standard shell construction, but will sag more than a shelf built from solid wood, or than shelves reinforced with a wider strip of solid wood attached at the front and back edges. The best thing you can do is to leave the stile in place, and have shelf support pins inserted in the back of the stile and the middle of the cabinet back wall if it is sturdy enough to take shelf support pins.

i have an interesting thought. my layout is 42 then 24 corner then 42 again, if i ask the kitchen store to make my corner a 27. i take off 3 inches from 42 plus put a 3 inch filler on either side of the corner. I would get my open cabinet, and just "lose 6 inches for fillers" all togther, but i would have the accessibiltiy i want, is this cutting off my nose ot spite my face or can this actually work? and how would this look next to 21 doors?

This

That seems like a complicated solution for an outcome whose net value is questionable. I’m still failing to see that you need to rework your cabinets when you can make the “problem” go away with a trivial adjustment to where you store a few things.

Give this to the cabinet guy. I can see how he may have gotten you exactly what you "wanted" in the entire original design process. .He needed it then, he probably still needs it.

Ok ok u guys win!

WOW!

Br, no, no, no, not "you guys" just a few of them. I posted back but it never appeared. Private message me if you want to talk something out. I promise to listen.

I’m done talking lol. The consensus is that it won’t structurally be sound. And I would be silly to remove a stile and deal with repercussions. It’s stock cabinets I can’t make any changes aside for what I suggested before about shrinking. I’ll talk to the kitchen store Tom head his input and see what the outcome of that is. I happen to think my kitchen design is great for our family although some differ which is totally fine. And that’s that!

LOL.