I only have Plum Perfect and it is quickly becoming my favorite

The blooms repeat quickly and the color is beautiful. The blooms also last a long time

Is PP the same as Plum Perfect Sunbelt?

Yes, it's the same. :)

I would recommend Chartreuse de Parme. It is never without blooms...and always has a lot!

That's beautiful, Carol. And it is thriving in the pot. Diane

Thanks, Diane...it is a wonderful rose!!! And it has a lovely fragrance too...kind of perfumey...strong and always there. :)

Love your Chartreuse de Parme. I had it on order from Palatine last year but I ended up canceling the whole order because I had so many coming from Regans. I think that I am regretting that decision

Kristine - yup :) :)

Ooh, gorgeous. Diane

Thanks, Diane! :) :)

So Severe_Novice - have you made any progress in filling your pots? :)

I'm in 7A and I put Plum Perfect in last fall. This summer it was blah. I was disappointed because I had such high hopes. I got maybe three blooms so far. I'm chalking this up to it being a first year plant and hoping for better next year. It's near Julia Child and Molineaux (also a first year) who have been covered all season so I know it's getting good light. On the upside, I don't spray and it's had zero black spot. Some of my others (Roald Dahl, Soul Sister) have had minor black spot and Julia's lost a leaf or two, but Plum Perfect has beautiful foliage so I'm hoping next year it "blossoms". Good luck!

rosecanadian,

I've just begun to entertain ideas. I love the color of Plum Perfect but also the lushness and large fluffy booms of Princess Ann.

In the end, the supreme criterion for any rose is bloom production - how many blooms per flush, how long they last, how soon it repeats.

if someone could guarantee that X rose would consistently be covered in blooms in my pot and yard, I would get it regardless of shape and color. After all, I am yet to find a rose with a color I would characterize as unpleasant - but plenty of those who lure you with pictures of cascading blooms, only to perform unimpressively in your yard (a few blooms here and there, long breaks, etc. Thinking of you, Julia Child).

So Threeboxerlover - I completely understand!

Right now I am looking outside the window at Easy Does It and while I ADORE its bloom shape and color, it only has three blooms and one bud. It will soon be over because it's not like each bloom lasts forever (as seems to be the case with African Violets).

Of course, it's just a baby band in a pot so it might be unreasonable for me to expect more only a few months fter planting - but I hope these container roses will reach a place where they produce tons of buds that open in succession so that a flush will last a while. And then repeat soon.

Those I 've had in the ground for 3 years never did perform well due to their location close to a tree, which I discussed in other threads.

So I hope the ones in containers will do better because where they are is as sunny as it's ever gonna get on this property.

I wonder which is a more reliably prolific bloomer between Plum Perfect and Princess Ann.

I love the concept of 'princess' a lot LOL (just not the ones we have these days), so I'd really like to have a rose named after a princess. But if Plum Perfect does a better job, I'd love to acknowledge its elite rank instead.

Severe - If I were you...I'd read the thread I started about writing a story with rose names. Straw (Teresa) has shared so much information about growing/fertiziling, etc container roses. :)

Of course, a floridbunda or a polyantha rose is more likely to give you the amount of bloom you want.

How do I find that thread, rosecanadian? I am not sure how to search by author.

Sure, sorry about that. :)

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5950727/tell-me-a-story-2#n=155

Make sure you take notes. :)

Carol your Chartreuse de Parme is amazing. Wow 🤩 what a gorgeous rose. It is doing so fantastic in that container. Do you have blackspot Carol? Is she healthy no spray?

severe_novice: Princess Anne is one of the most prolific roses in my garden (I have 6 of them). It blooms much more than my Plum Perfect so far BUT it gets blackspot without spray. Plum perfect is very healthy. Whichever would work for you depends on weather you are willing to spray her or not.

I have never recommended her because if I recall correctly you want no spray. She is not the worse but I would not consider her no spray here.

Plum perfect is very healthy and once it matures I expect she will perform very well as well. Her color is also very beautiful.

Princess Anne

Just to let you know, I have grown every class and type of rose you can think of from micro-minis to climbers, DAs, OGRS and ramblers in pots on my patio. And for the same reason you want to, there's sun there, lol! If the pot is big enough the rose will grow just fine. You do need to have support in the pots for some of the bigger/taller ones but that's available too. I had the climber Blaze in a pot for 8 years and it got 12 feet tall. When I planted it in the ground it shrank to 6 feet. Bummer! So pick what ever YOU love and grow it!

I grow Princess Anne (3rd year) and Orchid Romance (4th-year): THEY ARE TOO THORNY for containers. I'm in zone 5a, and Princess Anne shot up to 4 feet recently. Orchid Romance is 3 feet tall, but vicious thorn, and blooms look ugly when old.

Orchid Romance is more disease resistant than Princess Anne, but I WOULD NOT PUT THEM IN CONTAINERS, WICKED THORNS can be dangerous with large size bush & not worth being poked.

These are SMALL purple roses for containers & very healthy in my humid & high-rain weather. Twilight Zone (almost thornless & planted right below a rain spout), W.S. 2000, Wise Portia, Pretty Lady rose (thorny but small bush). Stephen Big Purple .. all these blooms last long on the bush. I don't spray for the past 20 years with 130 fragrant roses.

I second Carol's Chartreuse de Parme, folks in Pakistan (Facebook group Fragrant rose Lovers) had a vote on best-looking & compact bush, and the winners are: Chartreuse de Parme and Mary Rose (round & compact), and La Reine (I have this, very compact & almost thornless). Below is La Reine at 1' x 1' compared to Princess Anne at 4' x 3' and Orchid Romance 3' x 2' (looks like a porcupine with its thick thorns). All are own-roots, and they would be much bigger if grafted. La Reine blooms last twice longer than Princesse Anne and Orchid Romance.

rosecanadian,

Thank you for the link, I sure will take notes!

Dianela,

I am not a no-spray absolutist - I am willing to spray a bit here and there, if necessary. But to commit to a strict, once a week or every two weeks, regimen where you soak front and back of leaves in fungicide - that's a bit of a tall order. So yes, I do prefer as disease-resistant as possible. I am willing to do some sparse spraying, but not religious spraying. I am not sure if my preferred light spray approach is even an option. It may be an all or nothing kind of thing.

To be honest, I have noticed that acquiring roses touted as disease resistant and spray-free doesn't necessarily work, so you may still end up having to spray them.

I got Julia Child and Climbing Pinkie after reading they don't BS. And guess what: they DO, even after I sprayed with copper fungicide; let alone if I hadn't sprayed at all.

I also got Rosie the Riveter after someone in my area said this is the rose that does best for her. She BS-ed like crazy.

Even Belinda's Dream had some BS the bottom. but not too bad.

The only one I got this year who did not BS at all is Easy Does It.

Dick Clark is also a disease-resistant one but hardly blooms (like all the others in my rose bed.)

Since I am so starved for bloom, I am almost tempted to pick PA over PP, even with spray required. I am afraird PP might pull one on me anyway and require spraying, regardless - just like Julia Child did.

Difficult to choose. I wish there was a perfect rose out there - perfect disease resistance, drowning in bloom, diva color and form. LIke have your cake, eat it too, share with others and have some left. :)

seil,

Thank you for your kind encouragement to grow in pots.

I get it that roses love being in the ground but if that ground is under a tree canopy where they'll have to fight roots and shade...I bet they'll prefer my containers :).

I use large ones, 20"-24" inch - that should be 'Four Seasons' for them.

I wonder how long can a rose be kept in a large container throughout the years, if it is taken out repotted with all soil refreshed every 3 years or so? Could they go on in the same container for a long time?

Yes! What you will need to do is called root pruning. The length of time a rose can go will depend on the rose, the pot and the climate but you will be able to tell when it's time. I cut the rose back some, take it out of the pot and shave off some of the root ball and then repot it in the same pot with fresh soil. It's a BIG job but in my climate and with my big pots I only need to do it about every 5 years. I have a couple of roses that have been in the same pot since 2006.

Dianela - my roses don't get blackspot...so I can't tell you if Chartreuse de Parme gets BS. Sorry about that. Mine is definitely healthy no-spray...but then all of mine are...so that's no help. But hmf members rate it excellent in every category! :) Oh my goodness!!! Your Princess Anne is incredible!! Drool and GASP!!!!

Severe_novice - I'm in a cool zone...but I've had my roses in the same pot without changing the soil for 10+ years in some cases. I only repot/root trim when the rose starts to slow down on blooming.

Straw - really! That's pretty interesting and cool that Chartreuse got the most votes...I didn't realize it was that well known. I really love this rose, and it's nice that a lot of people agree. I love Delbard roses!!

rosecanadian and straw,

I just wanted to say thank you for the link that clarifies fertilizing roses in pots and kindly ask for a few clarifications, if you don't mind.

I did feel like someone should hand me a PhD in horticulture after I was done going through that thread - except that I probably wouldn't pass the comps, so I will hold off on that expectation.

Would you mind confirming that I am getting things right? You kinda lost me at the info about fertilizing matte vs. shiny leaves, but maybe I can at least get the basics down.

In a nut shell, I need more bloom. Because what I've been getting so far hardly makes roses worth the trouble. Yes, this may be because of my less-than-ideal location for the bed roses, next to a tree (insufficient full sun in the summer), but maybe I can get lots of bloom in pots with good fertilizing practices. So this is for large POTS.

If I follow 'Khalid's secret' ...does it mean I do this?

1. Keep soil alkaline at 7.5 pH.

2. End of winter: top with 60% soil and 40% cow manure.

3. Early spring: prune roses.

4. Two weeks later: feed with SOLUBLE NPK 20-20-20 for fast growth (one teas in 2 liters of water).

Would any soluble high N like Proven Winners Water Soluble work?

5. Add trace elements.

What are trace elements? What product exactly should I add?

6. A month after 1st flush, give high potassium fertilizer.

You mean like this product?

https://www.amazon.com/Down-Earth-Langbeinite-Potassium-Fertilizer/dp/B00VJN96LG/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=potassium+sulfate&qid=1596030674&sr=8-8&th=1

Would anything with 0 N and 0 P work?

To my understanding, this is to encourage bloom, per professor who said it is the absence of N that encourages bloom, at least in mid-season. I assume this is becayse early in the season the plant needs to develop strong foliage, so it needs N.

Right so far?

7. After rainy season, add trace elements.

Again, what kind?

What about after the mid-season fertilization with high K?

Can I fertilize again in August the same way? Wat about in between?

So far, I thought I should do weekly fertilizing with some soluble, like with all summer containers.

Right now I was going to give my roses its last fertilizing with MG Shake'n Feed, Rose& Bloom. Should I?

Thanks so much!

I'll let Teresa know that you have questions.

Next season, I'm going to pot my roses in a peaty soil with vermiculture.

Carol: thanks for messaging me about above questions.

Severe_novice: I will copy & paste your questions, and answer them in Carol's thread of "Tell Me a Story #2" to keep the info. together. See below:

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5950727/tell-me-a-story-2#n=155

Severe_novice: In my experience here the spraying is all or nothing. If you want the plant to be perfect then at least every two weeks but better every other week. The minute the routine stops they get blackspot and the damage is not reversible. They will have to go through shedding the affected leaves cycles and make new ones. Again PA is not the kind of rose that loses all her leaves so she might work. Not getting sprayed every other week will likely compromise her ability to bloom tho since she had to spend her energy making foliage and lots of blooms is what you are after.

Rosecanadian,

I have read so many potting soil recipes out there that my head is spinning. I still don't know what's best for roses.

What I've done this year was a mixture of potting soil, soil conditioner, and vermiculite/perlite. I understood it is best to have a very light, fluffy and drainy soil for large pots because too much peat results in compaction and poor drainage over time.

Someone recommended Pro-mix for the potting soil portion - so I got that and I am thinking to mix it with some soil conditioner and large vermiculite (1/3 each) and also add amendments like a Tone, alfalfa meal, bone meal, Mycorrhizal fungi and mushroom compost (because I'd read that, for whatever reason, cow manure should not go in pots. And call it a day. What does everyone think?

I plan to also use this mixture to refresh at the top of my already potted roses.

On a related note, what should I do to clean up after Black-Spotted Rosie who will be taken out of my largest and nicest pot siting dab in the middle of the deck? I want to replace her wither with Olivia Rose or Belinda's Dream, depending on who grows larger because this is my 24" pot.

Would removing the top portion of the soil be enough or should I spray the soil with some disinfectant to remove any trace of BS?

I pro-mix a metromix product? I used to love that when Lowe's carried it years ago. Severe, from where did you buy your soil conditioner? I've been looking for it for cuttings. Carol, your roses look fantastic this year so why are you changing the soil mix next year or is this just for a few roses that might benefit from a different soil?

Vaporvac - Thanks! :) It's just for the new roses. Straw suggested this mix to make the soil loamier, because Multiflora roots need loamy soil. :) I'm just going to use it on my new roses and see how it goes.

Severe - I don't know what soil conditioner is. :) But the rest sounds perfect to me! I've got perlite in my pots now...but I'm going to vermiculite for my new roses to make it loamier. I think the fungi may be a waste of money if you're going to use a chemical fertilizer, because I think it would kill the fungi. I'm not positive. Also I read somewhere that the fungi may be killed if the temps get too hot in transit. I think I would stay away from mushroom compost. But I could be wrong.

My roses don't get blackspot...so I'm not sure what to do about that. I'd lean towards nothing...but I don't know. :)

Carol, soil conditioner is also known as pine bark fines. The big box stores used to sell it in small bags, but now they've all switched over to coir. That did not work so well for my cuttings, although I loved it in my pots. It's expensive still even compacted.

As vapor said - fine bark fines. I got them from a nearby local nursery, not big box.

I once read the fungi can be helpful in pots but are not necessary in the ground because there are many organisms there anyway. Who knows?

I will hold off on the mushroom compost then - but should I put any manure instead? Like cow's?

Oh, I see! :) I found that bark fines were soooo acidic for my roses.

I've never put manure on...so I don't know. Worm compost is great though. And I love using glacial rock dust.

Maybe I can add some lime in the pot too, to take away the acidity?

Severe_Novice: I answer your question above & post info. about potting soil composition for different root stocks & types of own-root in Carol thread: Tell me a story #2.

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5950727/tell-me-a-story-2#n=155

Thank you, straw. I will revisit the tread for potting soil.

I am starting to think I would really want to try Princess Ann.

Everywhere I saw her, she is so floriferous! I understand I will have to spray but it looks like I have to spray all others anyway.

But you said I should not place her in a pot because she is too thorny.

Yet DA lists her as one of their roses suited for containers.

Would it really not work?

Princess Anne is very aggressive as own-root, and David Austin promotes anything aggressive & easy to root. Like putting Lady of Shalott in every categories, including partial shade. Then the next year DA catalog took that off from the partial shade list, to promote Roald Dahl. Lady of Shalott DOES NOT BLOOM well in partial shade !! Too late to move her.

Still remember a pic. from David Austin with Benjamin Britten in a pot (thorny climber). My Princess Anne is 4 feet tall (own-root in zone 5), VERY THORNY, and I won't dare coming near her. To put such in a pot is to invite being poked. David Austin Catalog also recommended Queen of Sweden for the vase, so I bought it ... blooms last less than 1 day in the vase !! I no longer trust David Austin recommendations.

Twilight Zone stays small (2' x 2') & healthy as 4th year own-root .. it's low-thorn so it can take tons of acidic rain & right next the rainspout. Princess Ann shot up to 4 feet tall as 3rd-year own-root. I would put Twilight Zone in a pot since it's small & healthy & almost thornless, but I won't put a 4 feet tall THORNY & leggy rose like Princess Ann in a pot. Below is Twilight Zone in 4 hours of sun, 100% healthy for the past 4 years, strong wafting old-rose scent (can smell at a distance), versus light scent in Princess Ann. In my 3 years of having Princess Anne, there were only 2 times I could detect a scent from her. Below is Twilight Zone, 1st pic. was when frost hit in mid-Oct. It's a constant bloomer versus 3 separate flushes for Princess Ann (she's loaded in spring flush, then a long pause & then shoot up tall for 2nd flush).

Thank you, straw. Then I will give up Princess Ann for the pot. It would be nice if DA's recommendations actually worked. I may try to find her a sunmy-enough place in my rose bed next Spring because I decided I really love her big, fluffy bloom. Quite unlike most others.

Your yard sounds wonderful!!! Maybe you should start a thread with pictures of your yard/roses!!! :)

cactusandroses,

Thank you so much for your recommendations and especially for being so kind to take the time to re-write and repost. (I hate it when technology wastes my time :) ).

In terms of pots - yes, I try to get nicer ones although with the focus mostly on size, it's hard to find ones that are large, beautiful AND affordable. My largest is this one and I would love to add more of the same over time. I like it when they repeat.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/24-in-Sq-in-Granite-Stone-Square-Lattice-Pot-PF4939sag/304858142

I never looked much into minis because I though those were the ones I'd seen a the grocery store with very tiny flowers and in tiny pots for indoors. But it doesn't sound like it.

I will definitely look into Pierrine.

Indeed, your container garden sounds wonderful. Do you happen to have any panorama pictures?

@rosecanadian and @Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA, I'm sorry that I don't really have any photos to share. As an overall schema for public opinion it honestly doesn't look very good at the moment. The house is being remodeled, and even my front patio pots are surrounded by pieces of sheetrock and tools at the moment.

I recently planted a triangle of Leonardo Da Vinci on each side of my front walk where I added a retaining wall, because now there's good soil there. I don't have irrigation there yet, so I've buried three 8" terra-cotta flower pots as ollas around each plant. I couldn't find terra-cotta saucers to use as lids, as the shops are very low on inventory this year it seems, so i am using white dinner plates. And each plant is surrounded by a hardware cloth cage. I myself am thrilled when I see a vibrant bloom, but if I shared photos, everyone would be turning away out of kind embarrassment for me at the total effect. :D

But I really hope it will come together next year. I do very much want to share more photos, the highest reason being that I so thoroughly enjoy the rose photos that others post that I feel reciprocation would be my greatest expression of gratitude, other than direct PayPal donations. :) I'm always inspired by others here.

@Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA, your lattice pot is absolutely lovely. Very attractive. Also, as you explore minis, when you find a favorite, I'd love to hear about it. My spouse loves flamboyant busy roses but I tend towards a relatively subdued palette in larger roses so miniature roses are perfect place to satisfy the spousal fondness for flamboyance.