It looks as if they all have sections to line up plates vertically. If you want to drain large bowls and pans, I'd suggest a 15" or 18" deep upper cabinet.

I hear, mama. The thing is, i had wanted to know which shape are the base of these dish-rack drainers supposed to be, in order for the pots/pans/dishes/bowls to rest on properly, without either falling off, or falling through, or knocking into each other. For example, my vintage Estate range is wonderfully convenient, because I can drain kitchenware on it easily, unlike the useless grates of modern stoves. That's because the grates are shaped in a way which lets me insert kitchenware to drain at various angles, in all sorts of ways. The grates look like this sample pic: https://www.antiqueappliances.com/wp-content/uploads/1948-Estate-Gas-Stove-15-4.jpg

So i had wanted someone experienced with kitchen drains, who would know which of the dish-rack-shelves i posted (both in pics and links) would be best for which type of kitchenware.

The reason its unclear to me, is because the pictures and video's which show real-life demo's which include the most kitchenware, are not clear. In other words, I can't make out the design of the racks and prongs that they're resting on.

That's why its important to have crystal clarity when offering demo's, because you never know who will view your demo hoping for a guide, but then wind up figuratively tearing their hair out trying to discern the fuzzy-distant picture which is obscured by kitchenware.

I don't think the drying racks in cabinets are as popular in this country as in some European countries, so I don't know if you'll get many responses. IIRC michoumonster had a thread about this subject several years ago. You might try searching on her name and 'dish drainer'.

Not sure how to do that - i'll see - thanks.

Buy a counter top drainer, or simply DRY the dishes and stow promptly. Truth is? Rinsed in scalding hot water, dishes, glasses, pots and pans all dry in about two minutes. Or even less. The hotter the water, the faster they dry. .......: ) Rendering this concept, expensive and unnecessary, perhaps.

I have no idea what this would solve . Get dish drainer to go on the counter if you do not have a DW that is how you do it.

I have always assumed they are trying to solve a space issue. I've mostly seen then in holiday rentals with small kitchens. There is not a lot of counter space, so you use cabinet space. Maybe I've been looking at them wrong.

I see your comments, but I still would like that option due to minimal counterspace. So if anyone has a clue with regard to my OP, I'd appreciate it, because if i can have convenience compatible with my preference, why not?

I grew up in Europe and we all had this drying rack above the sink. I would never give up a window behind the sink for a drying cabinet...and you will need a sink under it.

Each to their own. I've lived practically my whole life with a window behind sink, and need it like a hole in the head. Of course i want the drying rack over the sink (it would be in a condo, not where i'm living now).

So if you have experience, perhaps you know the answers to my OP.

Still do not see the purpose it takes 5 minutes to dry dishes and put the rack under the sink or better yet do all the dishes in the DW.

There might be big pots, pans and other stuff too, not just some dishes. And there would be no room for DW. Does anyone know the answer to the OP?

Jally, I think you are asking in the wrong place. You are needing someone who has direct experience of these scolapiatti pensile or wall mounted drainers, or whatever you want to call them. They are not particularly uncommon, especially in smaller kitchens. The problem is, that is not going to be your average user of this site; this site is not aimed at the smaller end of the housing market. At best you get guesswork from those who have sufficient imagination to understand what these drainers are or have limited experience of them from vacations (well-intended, but not always well-informed). And then you get the rest.

In the absence of a direct answer to the OP, my well-intentioned, but possibly ill-informed, suggestions are:

1. Read online user reviews for the specific products/models you are looking at. It is possible that some of the reviews from people who have actually bought and used them will address some of your questions.
2. Visit showrooms and take a look (if products are available locally).
3. Measure the largest pot or item that you are likely to want to dry and make sure the cabinet is deep enough. Some are quite shallow.
4. Given that you have a variety of different items you want to wash and dry, the ones with adjustable/removable racks will give you more flexibility.
5. Depending on language, you could try some of the other Houzz forums to see if there is more knowledge elsewhere.

the first! we use it in our place in italy. works for everything.

and jally: i am assuming you live in the US? if you can find the first one in the US, pls let me know as we would love to install one for our home in the US. and most comments here are correct - but i wish they would only speak for themselves as not everyone only spent their lifetime inside a beltway! LOL

Never seen them here in the UK ..don't see the point of it and you would need a very large sink for it to drip in to or you would be forever wiping the water off the work top !

Snaggy, they drip onto a tray in the cabinet, not onto the surface or sink below.

So then you have to clean the tray all the time I am still not getting the purpose . I have many friends in Europe and have seen a couple of the ones that drain into the sink which BTW is messy and in the UK they use racks to store everyday dishes but not to dry them where I have seen them. As for pots and trays IMO still need to be done and put away since all of these I see when I google are not deep enough for any good sized pot.

This product does not seem to be widely available in the US, but plastic coated wire racks are sold for closet organization - the Elfa line at the Container Store is a more expensive option, but local hardware stores often sell them. You may be able to get one of those and use a hacksaw to cut it to fit. Make sure when fastening it to the sides that there is no lip under the rack that could collect water. Make sure to test the rack to make sure it won't bend and fall out when fully loaded.

Also look at the stainless steel wall mounted dish racks used in India - they might work or be adaptable

Jally, will you store the dishes on the drying racks? It seems to me that a kitchen too small for a dishwasher probably does not have the luxury of giving up an entire cabinet just for drying.

To Tia of Italy - please can you answer my OP, so i should know which type of kitchenware is compatible to which type of drying rack? I happen to see that the following Finnish site sells these racks, so maybe you can get them from Finland to Italy, then bring to U.S.? https://www.lankajamuovi.fi/en/kitchen/dish-drying/dish-drying-shelves.html

Isn't Finland near Canada or Alaska? If so, perhaps the Finnish should open a branch there? But it would need proper marketing, geared to the right market. Obviously not Houzz. More like Home Depot. Zillions of people would grab them. They're just not aware that they exist! Only on Houzz would people not realize how handy it can be to small-timers.

Its like Sushi (or you name the food). In the 1970s Americans would have yucked those foods, or whatever the term for yuck was in the '70s. Likewise, many on here are yucking drying-rack cabinets.

To all the latest respondents, yes, i took into account all of that (the storage-space-necessity, the drip-tray which is one of my links, the India - which is one of my links. I'm aware of all that, believe me, my mind & fingers have been going triple time. This post is because i hope to educate myself, so i can then take it to the next step and point to what exists "out there" IF the next step pans out (which isn't certain).

And Nick, thanks for setting everyone straight about what's what, including me!

I would look into companies in the European countries that have these. Italy, for example based on other comments. It might have to be a special order to the US. In America, you can typically have whatever you want. Probably get an interior designer that can find one in US. They typically have access to things in the special shops that only designers can shop in. Hopefully, you find something for your home you like.

Never seen anything like this before. Learn something new everyday.

One may ask whey take wet dishes out of dishwasher and put on rack?

Just leave them in dishwasher to dry.

If you do't have a dishwasher, just a draining board, dry them, then put away.

Angel, I think the point is if you have a dishwasher, or adequate space for a draining board, then you wouldn't need one of these racks. This is for those who have neither. That is where the demographic of Houzz diverges from the wider world. Here (in the US), around 75% of households have a dishwasher. In the UK, and I imagine some other northern European countries just over half households do. For the EU27 as a whole it is just below 50%. In Japan and other developed Asian countries it is far lower. As a commercial product, the dishwasher has been around for little over a 100 years. Unless your house was built since then, it probably was not designed with a dishwasher in mind. Many people will have found a way to have one fitted, but it might not be practical or desirable or affordable for everyone.

A website, such as Houzz, aimed at people who are designing, building, renovating their homes is going to be skewed towards those in the 75% who have dishwashers, those who have newer, larger homes and those who have money to redesign their living space for modern appliances. The need for a drainer like this is going to be extremely limited.

Another consideration is the type of accommodation. In a detached house, the kitchen is likely to have external walls and it is common to have a window over the sink. In an apartment, the external rooms with windows are usually given over to bedrooms and living rooms, with the kitchen and bathroom on the inside of the building.

Given the above, it is no surprise that most here will not have a need for this sort of draining rack or even understand why someone else would want one.

This is my first time seeing this design as well and I think that it’s not worth it. Why have drip dry racks in your cupboard if it’s going to create moisture? I know the bottom is open but there will still be some kind of condensation dripping from the top to the bottom. If these racks were made with some kind air blower to dry out the dishes that I can see but not this way. The article states she has to keep wiping her sink from the water. It’s a nuisance. That can create mold around your sink as well. A dishwasher gives you an option to heat the dishes to dry. You don’t have to wait for it to do that.

P.S. Finland is in Northern Europe. It is just over 4,000 miles from Canada and Alaska (basis Helsinki-Toronto and Helsinki-Anchorage). Farther if you don't want to go via the North Pole.

Finland near Canada was quite the headscratcher...
Coming from an ex-Soviet bloc country this setup was popular in tiny lower end apartments (think “socialist builder grade” lol). There is no bottom in the cabinet, the rack is mounted not far from the bottom edge and under it there is a removable dripping tray, so the airflow is decent if you live in a dry climate. Everything is covered in calcium deposits if the water is hard. You obviously can’t have under cabinet lighting installed, which to me is a gigantic disadvantage, especially over the sink. The dripping tray is usually large and a pain to wash (think sheet pan too big to fit in sink).

I think we had one in the Soviet Union also for a brief period. That apartment was lower than low-end: our kitchen was shared with two other apartments. Anything left in the rack would disappear long before it had a chance to dry!

Nick, I was just trying to find a good illustration of a “khruschevka” kitchen! That is exactly where you’d find something like this. Here are some photos of the modern version:

Yes, ours did not look like that. The tray was a pale yellow that only Soviet factories could seem to produce (somewhere between urine-colored and nicotine stain). I watched Chernobyl recently and the kitchen in the opening scene was reminiscent of a couple of ours. I did not grow up there, but moved there for work and it was quite an eye-opener moving from one coldwar superpower to the other. We would joke about whole cities being constructed by the Ministry of Nine-Storey Buildings.

By the way, Jally, IKEA do a rack (Kungsfors) that might work for you. At least, if you are near to an IKEA, you would be able to go see one.

Are you doing a stainless steel cabinet? Or marine grade plywood? Or solid Corian? Water kills wood. Dripping into the cabinet from the sink will have a lot of water end up where it should not. Even with a tray. Water will end up where you don’t want it. Lift up your dish drip try right now and look under it.

@Nick so if the drip in to a tray ...you then have a tray of cold water to get out the cabernet and empty ?

@Snaggy, that is correct. Excess water drips onto the tray and the tray gets emptied and cleaned.

I think I will stick to a rack on the draining board ... would rather have the cupboard space

Me too. These are designed for those spaces where that is not a practical option.

In my experience nobody would bother to take out the tray, so the water would dry in there and everything would be covered in mineral buildup/crud. That being said this was the setup for some seriously tiny kitchens, usually around 50 sq ft - there was hardly any counter space (the range would often come with a lid that could be closed to make another work surface) and since there was no dining room you had to somehow fit in a table and chairs as well.

Doesn't standing water smell after a while?

I grew up in Europe in a house that didn't have a dishwasher, but we washed and dried plates immediately. I don't know anybody in my family and friends in Europe that would use this.

Also, of people don't have a lot of counter tops, I don't see them having a lot of cabinets either, do I doubt they would use such an item that would use a cabinet.

not sure where you will find something like that. good luck.

It just seems that it belongs in a bar or in the restaurant

Nick I know about the Ikea racks. The other had appealed to me. But now that i'm considering all the wiping down they'd need, i'm having 2nd thoughts. I didn't think of that. Recordoras, thank you for all the interesting info, and Nick thanks for explaining things to others here.

Consider this thread resolved now!