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Strategies for part shade

5 years ago

I’ve mentioned on here a million times probably, but I have almost no place in my yard that gets 6+ hours of sun.


One spot i have is actually doing really well with maybe 1-2hrs morning sun and 3-4 hours late afternoon.


This year I’m going to try and get some more climbers started. Their spots will be mostly shaded by nearby boxwoods up to about 1ft.

Im planning to put the bands in pots and leave them in full sun, then transplant when they seem tall enough to get sun in their final spots.


is it possible this could work?



New Dawn, and Felicite et Perpetue are the two I definitely want to try.

Tess of the D’urberville and Cl Crimson Glory are the ones I might try as well just to speed things up.


Comments (14)

  • 5 years ago

    I think it could work jc. I would try it.

    jc_7a_MiddleTN thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 5 years ago

    I'm sure they'd climb as they tried to reach for the light, though I'm not sure if you'll be getting the kind of blooms you're hopingelic for. If you have a good spot for pots in fuller sun than you do in the ground, I would consider large pots with a trellis and smaller climbers, and just let them live in the pots. OR scour your property and see if they'd receive fuller sun if they were up in a tree. Felicite should get herself quite tall and happily climb a tree, would it find full sun if it went up 15+ feet? You might get a good bloom period if so.

    jc_7a_MiddleTN thanked Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    magpie, I meant I would put them in small pots and let them grow for the summer. I’d have to stick them awkwardly in a place they clearly don’t belong ha.

    Once they get tall they will get much more sunlight.

    Felicite is going to climb to a second story balcony railing. Needs to be 6+ft tall to get ideal sun but will get 3-5 hours at just a couple feet tall.

  • 5 years ago

    First of all, no place in your yard gets the same amount of sunlight from week to week, much less month to month. The sun moves seasonally and your trees leaf out seasonally as well.

    Borrow Rodale's Passive Solar book from the library and apply it to your yard it will include mapping trees and when they leaf out.


    Then see what spring once bloomers will fit your parameters. In middle Tennessee almost every kind of rose will grow. From voluptuous centifolias to gallicas to moss roses, these roses are magnificent early season.


    Please spend some time becoming a sunlight specialist. Did you know that we even get a coupld of hours of good sunlight hitting the north sides of our houses midsummer?

  • 5 years ago

    You ask: “is it possible this could work?”


    I think it is not plausible that someone would think it could not possibly work.

  • 5 years ago

    If you grow those bands up to a good height before planting them they should do OK. I have a spot that is shaded most of the time at ground level. For several years I had different potted roses there and they did fine. Then I decided to just plant one there. I got a lovely America Climber and planted it... 5 years ago. It is still the same size it was the day I planted it and only blooms once a year, if that. It is just to low to really get the sun it needs. The potted roses were up high enough (big pots that put the plant about 3 feet off the ground) that they got some good sun so they grew and bloomed. America is getting yanked and the pot will go back!

    jc_7a_MiddleTN thanked seil zone 6b MI
  • 5 years ago

    New Dawn can take shade and bloom. I have two growing on a north facing wall for a couple years. They will be moved to a sunny garden in the spring . Another thing you could do is to trim the lower tree branches off for more sunlight. I am not sure if your Home Assoc would allow you to do so. Roses grow much slower in the shade, and they don’t grow huge under trees in the land of tree roots.

    jc_7a_MiddleTN thanked summersrhythm_z6a
  • 5 years ago

    l’ve trimmed the trees up as much as I can so they should get more sun this spring but I couldn’t guess how much more.

    probably still not enough.


    I think I’m going to baby the bands I get this time and see it that speeds them along.


  • 5 years ago

    Jc, one thing that puzzles me is your one foot boxwoods. Are you sure they will stay this small? I know there are various kinds and sizes. My largest types (Green Mountain) are 8 feet tall. Diane

  • 5 years ago

    Thanks for the insight, @slumgullion in southern OR !

    Ill be doing the same with most of my climbers so I’m expecting them to take several years to hit their stride.


    @Diane Brakefield they are wintergreen (or maybe winter gem? I need to check)

    They are new so haven’t hit maturity yet. I’ll keep them trimmed into a formal hedge about 3ft tall.

  • 5 years ago

    I have decided to pot the bands and put the pots in one of the full sun beds- hopefully won’t be too conspicuous. Until the fall at least.

  • 5 years ago

    My Winter Gem are about 4X4 feet, and trimmed when needed. Not growing wild, but not formal. Diane

    jc_7a_MiddleTN thanked Diane Brakefield
  • 5 years ago

    I checked and mine are actually wintergreen.

    Should end up about the same size though.


    I’m trying Serissa in a sunny spot to see if it can serve as an evergreen filler and/or very short hedge.

    If that works I’ll get a bunch next year. I like the distinct texture and tiny white flower.