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Another old rose bush found in the PNW . This is the same farm where I had help from this forum identifying the rose Marie Pavie. The farm was established in 1896 and is located on an island close to Tacoma, Washington.


The original bush is an upright shrub that is being constantly pruned by deer so I don't know it's true height or shape. The photos are from a 2 year old cutting growing in my garden. The blooms are about 2 to 3" in diameter and sometimes nod. It has a fragrance but I can't smell it in this weather.


I think that it resembles Hermosa, a rose that I have grown in the past, but don't currently have. If anyone is growing Hermosa, could you please tell me if it looks like your bush.



Comments (31)

  • 4 years ago

    Don't know enough to comment on who she is, but she's certainly beautiful!

    ValRose PNW Wa 8a thanked slumgullion in southern OR
  • 4 years ago

    I don't think that it is Caroline Test out, unfortunately, she seems like a rose that I would like to grow. Flowers are too small and the foliage is not bluish matte.


  • 4 years ago

    The foliage looks matte to me, and slightly bluish. Diane

  • 4 years ago

    I just checked HMF, and the second of Bethnorcal's photos shows a good close up of the leaves of LCT. It looks like a match to me with the leaf photos above. Diane

    ValRose PNW Wa 8a thanked Diane Brakefield
  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    This is my plant of 'Mme. Caroline Testout', photographed earlier this afternoon. 3" - 4" blooms are typical of the variety, on a well-established plant.





    ValRose PNW Wa 8a thanked User
  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    One trait I'm seeing in the third photo of the OP is the dense number of fine, glandular hairs on the pedicel that go all the way up to the receptacle. With only some experience, I've been wondering if this is a consistent Bourbon "thing", having recently noticed that all four of the Bourbon varieties I'm growing now, plus "Florence Bowers" (who is not entirely tea-like), have it? Are the pedicels of 'Mme Caroline Testout' similarly glandular? .

    The two things I most remember about MCT when I grew it were the large size of the flowers (but the rose in question has relatively smaller flowers) and the large number of very large prickles -- she was a thorny devil. Unfortunately, I've never grown 'Hermosa', though she is on the "list", when there is an opportunity.

    ValRose PNW Wa 8a thanked catspa_zone9sunset14
  • 4 years ago


    Here is a side view of my fully opened mystery rose. Does it still look like a good match for MCT?

  • 4 years ago

    Not Hermosa.


    ValRose PNW Wa 8a thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 4 years ago

    From the descriptions of 'Mme. Caroline Testout', I don't think that this is the right ID. Most describe MCT as having large blooms with pointy buds. The mystery rose would be described as having round buds with small flowers. And it doesn't have the "bluish matte green foliage" that Paul Barden said was an identifying characteristic.


    I think that this is a case where the varieties look similar in photos, but in person, there would not be any confusion.



    I will look for a MCT to compare, maybe I'll find her at one of the local public rose gardens. I may have to order her but MCT sound like a great rose to have in the PNW.


    Thanks for all the help.

  • 4 years ago

    Seeing your latest photo, I doubt it’s Caroline Testout. No idea what it might be - so many double pinks like this around.

    ValRose PNW Wa 8a thanked User
  • 4 years ago

    Thank you Paul, I was hoping to get lucky. We'll give it a found name. We will be selling it to raise money for the local historical society. I believe that Caroline Testout will also sell well due to the Portland connection, so I will still buy her.

  • 4 years ago

    Take a look at the pictures on HelpmeFind of the old Hybrid Perpetual 'Mrs. John Laing'. I grow it as well as 'Madame Caroline Testout', and your rose looks very similar to my MJL.

    ValRose PNW Wa 8a thanked Rosylady (PNW zone 8)
  • 4 years ago

    Mrs. John Laing does look like your pics - especially the very helpful last "profile" pic you posted showing how the fully open blooms get very flat.


    I have grown MCT for over 25 years, and my immediate impression, and current opinion, is that this mystery rose is NOT MCT. A pic of my MCT is below -


    Jackie




    ValRose PNW Wa 8a thanked jacqueline9CA
  • 4 years ago

    I've grown 'Mrs. John Laing' as well, and it is also a very large flower.

  • 4 years ago

    Mrs. John Laing does look like a good match and another rose that I would like to have. However, my mystery rose has much smaller blooms and does not look like a hybrid perpetual plant. My guess would be that it is probably a polyantha or china.

  • 4 years ago

    Hmmmm....since you say small flowers with a china habit could it be 'Old Blush'?

  • 4 years ago

    'Old Blush' does not have that good a shape; its far less sophisticated.

  • 4 years ago

    ValRose - what is the average diameter of a bloom on your rose?

    Jackie

  • 4 years ago

    Here’s my Hermosa to add to Sheila’s if this helps. Carol





  • 4 years ago

    I’ll post a couple more photos of Hermosa as soon as my internet connection cooperates.

    Carol

  • 4 years ago

    More China-Bourbon ‘Hermosa‘ in case its small blooms (and light fragrance) resemble your rose. Carol





  • 4 years ago

    It is not Old Blush, I have grown that rose for many years . The flowers are averaging about 2" in diameter.

  • 4 years ago

    And a few more photos Hermosa’s bud, hip, etc. Sorry she’s such a mess! I let my garden slide the last 2-3 years, and she got buried in a tangle and is looking more blackspotted than usual this spring. Carol

  • 4 years ago

    Hermosa is about 2” in diameter.

    ValRose PNW Wa 8a thanked portlandmysteryrose
  • 4 years ago

    Carol, Thank you for all the photos. I think that there is a good chance that it is Hermosa.

  • 4 years ago

    You are very welcome! Carol

  • 4 years ago

    Compare also Jeri Jennings' photo of 'Hermosa's' stipules on HMF with glimpses of the perhaps-distinctive stipules in photos 3 and 5 of the OP: https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.63210. The pedicels of 'Hermosa' also have the dense glandular hairs that are evident in OP photo 3, that can also be seen in this HMF Jeri Jennings photo: https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.63209. Buds and prickles look something-like those on 'Hermosa', too.

    ValRose PNW Wa 8a thanked catspa_zone9sunset14
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