They make LED disc that can be adjusted.

Thanks, but as I mentioned I don't want that type of fixture.

no, you said you were afraid of the light color would not be to your satisfaction and I offered a way of having a choice. guess you’re as fussy about help as you are light intensity

Admittedly, I don't know the correct terminology, but I did state I want the traditional type where the bulb and unit are separate, not the integrated all-in-one LED fixtures, I assumed people would understand what I was talking about. Happy to receive education on the proper terminology, it would aid my search and order process, I'm the one who has to make the product decisions.

BTW: I don't care for the look of the integrated fixtures regardless of whether I would be happy with the perceived quality of the light output, so regardless of whether color is adjustable I'm not interested. Phillips came out with warm-dim LED floods, that is what I chose (already have the bulbs, tested them in a recessed fixture in another room and they pass muster).

You are on the right track for your stated criteria and I understood completely your choice of words. That is one advantage (of many) having a standard Edison housing - being able to experiment with the lamps.

You can paint any trim. In fact that is better to paint over white so you won't be limited to the 3 or 4 colors of factory finish that won't match your ceiling color anyway.

Your electrician, if he has a choice, wants to install 6" cans because they are cheaper and will require less fixtures = less work, more profit. What matters is what is shown on the contract drawings. When the proper lamp is used, a 6" lumenaire will provide more 'light' than a 4" lumenaire. So the sizing, spacing, and type should be designed for each space and function.

Thank you, I am relieved to know any white trim can be painted over, that solves pretty much the whole problem except the interior color of the can, but I doubt anyone is going to notice that anyway, it's just kind of "there" and in the shadows, ya know?

He'll do whatever I want, and what I want is for things to look nice LOL and of course provide adequate lighting. I had 6" cans put in my other kitchen and was really happy with the result, but it seems the trend now is 4" fixtures, so I'm questioning the fall-back choice of 6". It's a decent-sized room so in my mind the 6" are fine, and I want plenty of light so also think 4" = more lights = swiss cheese effect ?? They're all going on dimmers BTW.

• Juno makes a variety of trims and reflectors in its 17and 14 series. Scroll down each page to see the options.
• Juno also makes these great 17SQ square trim/reflectors.
• These trim/reflectors require separate housings. They're listed in the "Housing / Lamp Compatibility" section of each web page. Note that there are different housing for new construction and remodel.
• I used the 17HZ-WH trim which I think looks nice though I kind of wish I'd selected the square 17-SQ-HZ.
• Yeah, you could paint the trim but I wouldn't do it, particularly if I got the square trim. I don't think they'll "stick out like a sore thumb". How much time will you look at the ceiling? I certainly wouldn't paint them until I lived with them as factory-painted for awhile.
• These trim use PAR20 50W bulbs. I tried a bunch of different bulbs (they are NOT all the same) and found these Euri EP20-5.5W5020cec-2 bulbs (here too) were the best (the HD package contains two bulbs, not 10).
• You'll need a dimmer. This Lutron Diva LED+ works well.

P.S. No 6" fixtures!

On a standard painted cone trim, the trim baffle can be painted just as the trim ring. However it depends on the reflectivity you would like and the color chosen. Also, some of the cheaper units the baffle/ring is a stamped 1-piece which may make painting easier or more difficult depending.

You would have to post floor plans to get advice on lighting layout. Kitchens are completely different than bedrooms and living rooms.

@3onthetree: "trim baffle can be painted just as the trim ring"

Well, I suppose they can be.

I always prefer a separate trim and bulb for the reasons you state- I also rarely like the light quality from the all in one units... You want the lights to disappear- get the white trims. If your ceilings are light colored off white the white will blend, otherwise they can be painted. Your electrician wants to do 6 versus 4 because it will be less work. Unless you have very high ceilings stick with 4"