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Help!!!Two different Oxford whites!Benjamin Moore!!

4 years ago

Help please ..So I had Oxford white CC-30 by Benjamin Moore color matched by Behr and I loved it and I needed more so I took a picture of the sticker and had a friend pick it up for me later on in the day I looked at the can and saw it said BM Oxford white 869!! Instead of CC-30 and the color stickers look different too ..what should I do ? When I put one of them on Easy RGB the color codes are different I need help

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  • PRO
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Could be two different colors out of The Home Depot.

    They wouldn't be from a BenM store. Oxford White at a BenM store is the same, it just shows up in two different collections: Classic and CC.

    The data base stores like Home Depot uses comes from a vendor - actually like EasyRGB - that measures colors from a fandeck to get a numerical definition of the color = think of it as color DNA. Then they use that DNA to develop a formula using their base and product that matches the original color as closely as possible.

    Since they measured 2 different chips, the formula for each is going to be ever so slightly different. It's also why the color data values you found when you looked on Easy RGB are different for 869 and CC-30. You might see a difference or you might not.

    Sometimes there is a person managing the data base and they are able to detect the same color name, 2 different formulas, and correct it in the system. Sometimes there isn't and everyone assumes 869 and CC-30 are two separate colors that should have different formulas.

    You won't know until you paint a sample and look.

    Odds are you could take it back and say it's the wrong color; you wanted CC-30 and the can is wrong. Because that's a finer detail that would probably go right over the heads of the folks at a big box store.

  • 4 years ago

    It’s crazy because on easy RGB they are different colors too I painted them on the wall they are different

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    Exactly. EasyRGB measured two different chips. One in the Classic fandeck 869 and one in CC fandeck, CC-30.


    When you use EasyRGB, you don't want the RGB values.


    Because RGB Values have nothing to do with the paint color formula OR what the color actually looks like.


    Many think RGB means how much red, green, blue a color has "in it". And that's not the job RGB values do.


    RGB values are instructions for a device; RGB indicates how much of each channel of red, green and blue light needs to light up to create a digital swatch of that color.


    If you click somewhere on that first box of numbers, you'll get a pop up menu. Choose convert. It's on this page where you'll find the values that define and describe what the color factually looks like to real human eyeballs.


    But here's the most important thing to remember.


    When using color data values as a FRAMEWORK to define and describe COLOR APPEARANCE, slight difference in CIELab and LCh(ab) aren't a big deal. Because we're using those data values to understand a color's three dimensional characteristics and a slight difference in the numbers isn't going to change the color appearance description.


    Which is VERY different from relying on the data to create a formula to be mixed into a can of base.

  • 4 years ago

    Thank you ♥️♥️so I should just take it back and show them the original can

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    Worth a try. Big box stores are always a crap shoot. Don't talk too much and keep it simple. Just say "this is the wrong color. Here. (and hand them the can). It should have been a match to CC-30".

  • 4 years ago

    By the way, I'm pretty sure White Heron (OC-57) is also the same color in Benjamin Moore paint, execpt from the off-whites collection (which is basically all pulled and renamed colors from other collections). I prefer this site in terms of comparing paint colors:

    https://encycolorpedia.com/f1f2eb That is when Lori isn't available to explain it all so well.


    I think that is probably your best bet ... they can either mix based on that can's formula or just match it. (FYI different formula does not necessarily mean different color ... many paint colors have multiple formulas to create them, often varying by paint line or sheen, so long as the result matches the paint chip, it's the same color.

    Next time, you might try to select a paint from the brand you're buying, so a Behr color with Behr paint or Benjamin Moore paint with a Benjamin Moore color; that way you won't have to be color matching and all

  • 4 years ago

    The 1st can I had it color made I loved ♥️ it was so close to the original but the new cans were totally different I’ve colored matched with Behr before and didn’t have a issue now when I tried with sherwin Williams it was horrible I have used Benjamin Moore lots of times I just did my whole exterior with BM Regal exterior ..so for convenience and budget I went with Behr

  • 4 years ago

    I ended up exchanging for the right color!♥️♥️ so happy kept it short and simple..and I thought white heron and Oxford were the same too but they say they are slightly different I ordered real paint swatches from The colorshop and they are a little different

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    Fact of the matter is you can make X number of colors with a set of bases and colorants. It's just a fact.


    Each brand has their own set of bases and colorants. Some have components like Ben Moore's Gennex colorants that are proprietary. Farrow & Ball is another proprietary set.


    So it comes down to the color itself.


    It can either be matched successfully using different brand's bases and colorants or it can't. The technical term is gamut. A paint color is either within the gamut of the bases and colorants or it's not.


    So if color matching across brands doesn't work out perfectly, it's not the person, the store or the brand. It's probably the DNA of the color itself.


    Then there's the constant churn of reformulation. I sold custom haint blue colors that I designed on my website for 10+ years. I don't anymore because I got tired of keeping up with the reformulations - which can be insignificant to significant. Either way, formulas have to be updated and I'm over it.


    It's frustrating for homeowners because it's unlikely that the cans of colors you have on your shelf in the basement can be exactly duplicated even if you go back to the same store you bought from.



  • 4 years ago

    Yesss ♥️I know they have different bases it will never be a complete match but behr for the most part gets pretty close.. I also always look at the lrv of a color and the way my house faces which is East ..to determine what and what will not work that’s why I order a lot from the colorshop to test and compare colors LRV and colors I had matched to the real thing..and Oxford white was perfect it kept a pretty glow through out most of the day I am going to do my existing Chantilly lace trim to Oxford white as well to match so they can flow ♥️ just in a different sheen and my ceilings will be flat in the same color also

  • 4 years ago

    Yes I heard Reformulations are a nightmare that’s what I wondered before when the mix up first happened was the Oxford 869 the old version of the CC-30 I’ve heard BM also has a lot of Navajo whites went to the actual BM store and they gave her a totally Different Navajo white had a different number and everything it was way darker than the one she wanted!

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