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4 years ago

Windows were installed and the walls boarded and plastered. The wall on each side of the sill angles in drastically on several of the windows. Would you consider this good work and/or acceptable?
In general I don't but it's exacerbated by the fact that window treatments cannot be inside mounted now or there will be a 1/2 gap at the top of them and not at the bottom.
The picture is looking down at the sill. This isn't the worst of them but it was the easiest to get a photo of. Looking straight on it's very noticeable as well as your view of the window isn't even all around.

Comments (18)

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    When the carpenter trims the window they just need to straighten out the extension jamb. This is not unusual and a good carpenter will take care of it.

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    Additional pics...you can see the casing in some areas and not in others. I should mention the contractor thinks these are ready for paint. I disagree.

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    @Window Genius and @BobH so this is a brand new wall, 100% new. I feel like this isn't "finished" and needs to be corrected. Do either of you feel that this is acceptable for finished work? It's supposed to be a drywall return finish. I get dizzy looking at the window and the wall being so crooked vertically as well as where the wall turns in where a sill would be on the bottom.

  • 4 years ago

    Looks like the installer did his job. to me, the extra work wouldnt be part of a window contract.

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    @Window Genius I agree that the guy who installed the windows did a very nice job. I guess my dissatisfaction isn't with the actual window it's the wall around the window that's uneven. I wouldn't expect the window installer to be responsible for that at all.

  • PRO
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    New or old, if that is the drywall return, it simply screwed onto the framing and will follow its path accordingly. Its not uncommon to see the front edge pushed out due to the corner bead, but it does seem a little more than usual.

    As was mentioned earlier, doesn't look to be the responsibility of the window installer either way.

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    Would you consider this good work and/or acceptable?


    Of course not.




  • PRO
    4 years ago

    @HomeSealed Exteriors, LLC would you think it's the wallboard or plasterers?


    I'm adding another picture of the inconsistency. In the top right corner you can see a LOT of the window jam (?) and as you follow the wall down it actually covers the jam and then jets in front of the jam. My expectation is that it's clean and consistent and straight lines to match the window itself as this is new build.




  • PRO
    4 years ago

    Its hard to tell whats exactly going on. This could be a case where the framing was crooked and they just rocked over it. Even if this was the case the rockers could have straightened it out. was the work all done by one contractor/worker?

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    @toddinmn thank you for the thoughts!! The contractor who framed it seemed to have done a great job, the framing was even all around (I have pictures of it and it looks fabulous, which I'm not surprised as he's pretty particular and very level driven). Then they had the boards put up by a team and then his plasterers came in and then we noticed the problem. The head contractor approves of the work, but I certainly don't and his own contractor was even shocked by it. So, I don't know if the problem was after the boards or after the plaster or a combination of both, I never looked closely during that process as I didn't expect an issue. So do you think the process started to go wrong with the rockers? That was sort of our thought although we don't have experience in this area.

  • PRO
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    As Todd stated and I alluded to, its either the framing or some sloppy sheet rock installation. Could have installed the corner beads twisted, could be a warped board, etc. In the picture that PPF noted, I've seen far worse in new construction. The most recent one showing the upper right corner of the window area however does look truly awful. I would not accept that... I'd just reiterate, that at least without evidence beyond what's been shown so far, the windows don't seem to be the issue here to answer the post title.

  • PRO
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Projects like these can get messy when multiple contractors are involved . The framing contractor is gonna say it’s just rough framing . the sheet rockers are gonna say i just rocked the the rough framing , the finish tapers are gonna blame the rockers. If there is no general contractor then you are probaly the general contractor. I do not how this job was presented or any of the contractual terms. At this point I am merely guessing at what has happened and what was conveyed. i have done much finish work as a taper and i would consider it my job to correct the imperfections of

    others. There is so much left out and it is impossible for any of us to know what is going on or what was agreed upon . There seems to be plenty if problems to spead around.

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    @HomeSealed Exteriors, LLC and @toddinmn you're both saying what I'm thinking. This wall is new construction so it's really sloppy to me. We met with the contractor and he agreed there were a couple issues (we have 16 new windows) and he would fix those that were off by 1/4" but not those that were off by 1/8"...said it's close enough. I think part of it too is that the wall/plaster sometimes shows 1/4" of window jam and then other times it protrudes in front of the window jam which clearly shows how crooked their work is. So, basically he's willing to fix the HUGE problems but the small ones he feels are perfectly acceptable and is refusing to fix.

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    Place a 4' level on the wall and take a picture please.

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    This is on the drywall finishers in this case.

  • PRO
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    @Joseph Corlett, LLC I don't have a 4' but I think you can see the 2 majoor problems with these pictures.

    Issues:

    1. The window jamb shows inconsistently on the same windows. For example, on the top of one it's 1/4" and on the bottom it's flush with the wall as it should be. Another example, the top of one shows 1/8" of the window jamb (which doesn't seem like a big deal) but the bottom the wall actually protrudes in front of the jamb making it much more like a 1/4" variation on the same window wall.

    2. Some of the walls angle in toward the window so they aren't right angles OR the top so they actually are on a slant from the top of the window down toward the window.

    All in all, once the issues on each of the windows add together they make the windows look very uneven. They certainly aren't rectangular. We are doing a drywall return as well so there's no molding to cover anything.

    He's saying he won't fix them all. I'm only asking for those which are very visibly obvious to be corrected. But he feels that I'm being picky. We have 20+ other windows in our house and not one of them have the issues our new construction has. He feels this is a job well done. He has involved the plasterer to fix those he feels need to be corrected but I can guarantee that it's about 1/4 of those that I've shown here and feel need to be fixed.

















  • PRO
    4 years ago

    The General is ultimately at fault. If it was a new wall the framing should have been straighter/ level and plumb , a good rocker could have corrected it, and a finish taper could have hid it better as well . Even a good finish taper will put a level on the corner bead and and fill the bead so it is more level.. Its hard to say exactly whats going with out being there from the start. In your first and second picture they should have used thinner sheetrock, the drywalll hanger is gonna use what was there and if the finish taper filled it in level there mud woud be over the jamb which is bad. In pictures 3-6 I cant make it from the pics. The 7th picture started with the framing, the rockers and finish taper just followed and made not attempts to correct. i have no idea what going on in the 8th picture.