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Red Climber for graveyard suggestions

4 years ago
last modified: 4 years ago

Hi everyone,
To honor someone special, I'm looking for a red climber that would do well with little to no care.
It would be trained to climb over a well in a graveyard (zone 8b/9). Someone can give it a little maintenance, but only about four or five times a year.
Doesn't need to get huge, something 250-300cm max would be more than enough, but it does need to be perfectly healthy, and pretty drought tolerant.
I like the look of Florentina or maybe Red Flame, but open to any suggestions in any class of rose.

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  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    @seasiderooftop

    What a lovely thought! A red rose planted in the cemetery for someone special. I can’t think of a more beautiful way to honor someone! I don’t see roses in US cemeteries very often anymore, but a lot of wonderful and rare roses have been collected from older graves. I would celebrate a return to the cemetery rose tradition here!

    My first thought is to go for a tough, old cultivar. One of those is more likely to require the least care. Moderns tend to be fussier. Once established, I’ve seen Cramoisi Superieur growing in harsh conditions with little care. Can you get China roses in your area? The climbing version can usually be kept to 12’ and the shrub version will often reach 7-8’ in time. Carol

    seasiderooftop thanked portlandmysteryrose
  • 4 years ago

    @portlandmysteryrose Thank you for the suggestion of Cramoisi Superieur!

    It looks like a fantastic rose. I love the idea of adding an OGR rather than a modern, it just seems more fitting in that setting.

    I looked around online and while the shrub version of CS is easy to find, the climber is much more elusive. I will keep looking, I'm not in a rush as I will only be planting the rose in the fall.

    I should add that I can arrange for waterings initially while it gets established. After all, the well will be right next to it so it shouldn't be too much of a hassle.

    I remember that there used to be a climbing rose in that spot decades ago, but somehow it has vanished over time. I agree with you that roses seem to be a lot less common in cemeteries nowadays, even in Europe, although thankfully some can still be found.

    I really appreciate your advice on this, thanks so much!

  • 4 years ago

    One problem with planting any red Hybrid Tea like rose is that people take the blooms. I grew three Don Juans next to a sidewalk and people would stop their cars and tear the blooms off, doing the bushes no favors.

    I would suggest Red Cascade, a prolific bloomer that makes thousands of small deep red blooms. But they aren't HTs so people don't take them.

    I know that at the ARS garden in Shreveport, Red Cascade grows well, seemed to have no problems and there's no way they could have sprayed that mass of roses, but it was impressive there.


    for your consideration

    seasiderooftop thanked stillanntn6b
  • 4 years ago

    Another vote for Red Cascade. Excellent choice for a care-free rose.

    seasiderooftop thanked User
  • 4 years ago

    Another vote for red cascade. Best carefree rose there is. If only it was scented, it would be perfect.

    seasiderooftop thanked Alana8aSC
  • 4 years ago

    Another vote for Red Cascade, it grows well.

    Florentina is also very healthy with beautiful blooms

    seasiderooftop thanked dianela7analabama
  • 4 years ago

    Wow, what a consensus around Red Cascade! Thank you for the recommendation, @stillanntn6b @User @Alana8aSC and @dianela7analabama !

    I don't see her described as a climber on HMF but perhaps it can be trained that way?

    I'm going to have to look for that one. Moore's roses can be tricky to find in Europe. I'll see if I can find it.

  • 4 years ago

    @seasiderooftop on hmf it states that it grows to 8 feet, which is 300cm

    seasiderooftop thanked User
  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Whoops! I guess I had my measurements mixed up... That is a perfect size! I will try to hunt one down.

    Thank you so much for your advice @User and everyone else who commented! I will post here when the rose gets planted.

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    It's even a great rose here and perfectly healthy. It can be grown as a climber or also a larger bush. It's the mass of roses that gives the effect rather than the individual bloom, although I find that quite charming. It does make a good cut flower that stays in the vase for days and dry It's even a great rose here and perfectly healthy. It does make a good cut flower that stays in the vase for days and dries in the same form.

    seasiderooftop thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
  • 4 years ago

    Don't know why everything gets repeated. I Don't know why everything gets repeated. I'll go erase the duplicate.

    seasiderooftop thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
  • 4 years ago

    I give up. It must be who's. I type it looks perfectly fine then I press submit and it repeats everything. Even after I Erase it repeats it later.

    seasiderooftop thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    @Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley I feel the same, it has happened to me countless times... between that and the whole post crashing, posting on howuselezz can be a headache!

    Thanks for your insight on Red Cascade! I hope I can find it!

  • 4 years ago

    Help Me Find lists Mostly Roses (retired but possibly still selling a few plants) as growing it in Western Australia Needes Hill Rd, off Southwestern Highway.
    Newlands via Donnybrook, Western Australia 6239
    Australia

    0897316264 [Information]


    Trewallyn Nursery has sold it and may still be able to provide it. http://www.trewallyn.com.au/


    And, they list four member gardens there growing it. Perhaps if you're able to access any Australian rose groups, you may find someone able to share cuttings? It roots easily! And, if you're inclined, should be something really fun to breed with.

  • 4 years ago

    Hi @roseseek! I'm based in Malta! :) The cemetery is abroad, in continental Europe. But thank you for commenting, I appreciate it!

    HMF lists only one European seller (Pepiniere Delaunay in France), but it appears to be closed and their website is down. I am still looking around in the hopes there might be a seller somewhere in the EU still carrying it.

    I wish Moore's roses were more readily available in Europe. He created so many amazing and unique roses!

  • 4 years ago

    Oops, sorry about that. I guess the Russian nursery is a no-go, too. Perhaps your best bet might be to contact whatever rose producers you have access to and see if any of them might be interested in trying to obtain cuttings from the public gardens in Europe who list it? There are many European gardens listed as growing it, with 22 listed in Italy, so it is fairly close to you. The Carla Fineschi Foundation Rose Garden lists it so it may be possible to obtain it from them. Hopefully you can enlist someone nearer to you to assist. Good luck!

    seasiderooftop thanked roseseek
  • 4 years ago

    Congratulations! Root a piece for yourself!

    seasiderooftop thanked roseseek