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Picea mariana - experienced opinions please.

4 years ago

I started this tree from seed procured from Shefields, winter of 2020. Planted out in the yard that spring. It was a little spindly with small needles but hey, it's a seedling.

August 2020.

It got a little winter burn the next winter but I pruned it off and tied up a branch for a new leader. Worked good. Tree was almost 2ft. tall August of 2021. Still looked like a spindly seedling but hey, just it's second year right?


Spring of 2022, no winter burn, broke bud and is growing vigorously. Shouldn't this tree start looking like a black spruce by now? Still has the slim needles, slanted forward on the branches, somewhat prickly but not as stiff as I would've expected. About 3 ft. tall.

Recent pictures:




TIA

Bill

Comments (18)

  • 4 years ago

    Nice young conifer !

    BillMN-z4a thanked conifer50
  • 4 years ago

    Looks happy.

    BillMN-z4a thanked bengz6westmd
  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Thanks!

    That's all I needed to know. :-)

  • 4 years ago

    if it shed its needles every fall .... i would suggest to you.. it looks like a larch .. though im sure if it did.. you would have mentioned that observation ...


    ken

    BillMN-z4a thanked ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
  • 4 years ago

    And Larch don't winter burn. Not that I know of anyways. :-)

  • 4 years ago

    nope.. lol...

    BillMN-z4a thanked ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
  • 4 years ago

    Looks very happy and pretty. I like mariana because of those short, touchable, soft needles. That and they seam to do well for me in Indiana. A good replacement for all the pungens and engelmannii that struggled with needle cast and kicked the bucket after many years in my yard.

    BillMN-z4a thanked Garen Rees
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    9-7-22

    What caused me to ask in the first place is, it seems to me that when I planted picea mariana seedlings in the wild (second year seedlings) from the state nursery, the needles on those 'looked' more like this picture of P. marinara from KPU.ca.


    But KPU.ca seedling pictures appear to be more similar to what my tree looks like. It's just that mine has just gone through its 3rd season outdoors.


    So, mine appears to be slow to mature?

    Picea mariana 9-7-22

    Grew about 20" total this year. A couple inches short of 4 ft. overall height.

    we'll see how it is when it completely hardens off later this Fall.


  • 3 years ago

    7-11-2023:


    Well, it still doesn't look like a spruce. At least not any that I've seen before.

    But I have to feel good about it, it's healthy and growing without any problems. :^)


    Root flare:



    About 4' 8" and still stretching up.



  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Spindly, but as you say, looks healthy. Maybe that's just how a young P mariana looks. White and black spruces have perhaps the largest ranges of any trees in N America.

    BillMN-z4a thanked bengz6westmd
  • 3 years ago

    I did find a video where a dendrologist explains some of the features of Picea mariana.

    He shows the needles and explains that the needles are 'soft' and 'short'. Finally! This is the first correct explanation I've found that puts to rest my confusion about this tree.


    At about 55 seconds into the video.

    https://Picea mariana.


    From my own experience and from pictures I've seen from credible institutions, the above is the first needles I've seen that come even close to my trees needles.


    I still don't know why my tree grows so much each season. Is it stuck in the 'Rapid growth stage' seedlings are known to have?

    I generally just water it when needed, being it's a water loving plant.


    This will be its 4th season in the ground.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    8-5-2023:

    It does seem to be stiffening up this Summer. Short needles are becoming pricklier.

    It's about done growing and winter buds are already brown.

    56" tall.


    :^)

    eta: my last picture from earlier this year said 4'8" and still stretching up. I think that was a typo, should've been 3'8". Any ways 14" new growth on leader this season.

  • 3 years ago

    Picea mariana prb'ly finds your MN climate balmy and benign compared to most of its range, hence the fast growth.

    BillMN-z4a thanked bengz6westmd
  • 9 months ago
    last modified: 9 months ago

    12-5-2025 Update:

    Picea mariana- about 8ft. tall (date taken on picture).

    Abies balsamea on right.


  • 3 months ago
    last modified: 3 months ago

    First female cones: 😏 Tree from seed, started Dec. 30, 2020.


  • 2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago


    6 years from a seed to more seeds.

  • 18 days ago

    8-15-26:

    9'8" tall with a 20" leader but I think I let the tree get a little too dry this season and the top part of the leader might dry up and die. Might've dropped its cones idk.

    Otherwise, the tree appears healthy, and it has been watered the last several days.