something is not right..fridge not shown....the work triangle is the thing you should get feedback on mostly.....24 in only between sink and stove? is there an island ? are the windows non negotiable?? what is the scope of this project....."somewhat of a kitchen designer" uh oh.

Sorry, these drawings don't include all the details, the 24" between sink and stove is the dishwasher (there is a small filler gap between dishwasher and stove) and the refrigerator is directly across from the sink built into an alcove. Windows are non-negotiable, we are mostly just replacing / adding cabinets. There are currently no cabinets on this wall, it used to have a washing machine.

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The ceiling heights are 9'8" (the drawings have that in the scale), and I don't know of any way to address these other concerns without re-doing plumbing which is not in the scope of our budget. We're doing a low-budget refresh of an 1890's kitchen that was last redone in the 70's.

Still looking for some input on cabinets... is this not the right place?

This is the overall space, and as I said, it's a weird kitchen and predates internal plumbing. If anyone had a constructive suggestion I'd be interested to hear it. I did get a quote from an actual kitchen designer who didn't suggest changing anything meaningful in where things are (other than moving the range off center from the windows, which I hated) so I'm not sure what to change.

Please don't do this. If the budget is really limited, move your plumbing and throw up some open shelves on the wall. Use plywood and $5 shelf brackets if you have to. Pretty is never better than functional.

With that floorprint, consider putting the sink under the window right of the range, and then DW right of the sink. Have the sink towards the left edge of the window, if necessary for fitting in the DW. No pantry cabinet, just a standard upper above the DW, as wide as fits between the window and the wall. You could put a pantry cabinet at the other end, on the short side of the L.

what if you put the stove on the left wall in the 5'6" space? and you moved the sink to the right window with the DW directly to the left. this layout is not optimized

if you can recess the fridge why can't you recess the rest of that wall for pantry space there. I'd do what mccarroll says about sink change/elminate the pantry and probably have a straight run the whole 18 feet with no corners/deeper counters and all drawers. not sure about the mini island or whatever till you get other aspects straightened out. SHOWN: use of a long wall without need for turning corners.....maximum use of storage drawers/ install deeper counters.

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thanks for the suggestions - I have edited the post to add some pics of the space as is. I don't think the sink and dw on the right hand side works because there is a door that opens there.

I really liked the idea to put the stove in the 5'6" lefthand space and it's something I hadn't considered, but there would be no counterspace to the left of it - it would butt right up against the walkway there.

This is like doing bandaid work on a project that needs a true reassessment. Do yourself a huge favor and post the floor plan with all the measurents needed (windows, doorways, etc.) There are many helpful PROS on this format and if you give them a blank space (with appliance sizes) you will get a much better layout.

If your house is that old, I’m sure the window placement is fixed. But updating and moving your plumbing may be a better use of funds. Yes, less expensive open shelving is better than a poor layout. Please don’t go forward with this before getting help here.

I’ve lived in an old house and yes, they are tricky to remodel. Another old house owner got great ideas here for her kitchen.

STOP and get real KD and all those base cabinets should be drawers I have all my everyday disghes , glassware etc in drawers and IMO no upper cabinets at all in your kichen and just the open shelves on the left wall not around the corner and IMO the fridge and pantyry on a wall together and no upper s would be better .

I can definitely make a new post with more detailed drawing, but out of curiousity, what are the huge problems that people see in this kitchen as-is? I have been cooking in it for about 4 months and aside from the current lack of counter space it doesn't seem that bad to me.

These links may help you to understand the comments you are getting:

• Work Zones, What Are They?: https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/5500762/faq-kitchen-work-zones-what-are-they
• Ice.Water.Stone.Fire, a humorous discussion of Kitchen design: https://www.houzz.com/discussions/2699918/looking-for-layout-help-memorize-this-first
• Aisles Widths, Seating Overhangs, etc.: https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/5500771/faq-aisle-widths-walkways-seating-overhangs-work-landing-space-etc
• Storage Planning: https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/5500787/faq-how-do-i-plan-for-storage

Taken from the "New to Kitchens? Read Me First!" thread.