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Combating Tomato Hornworms

3 years ago

Earlier today I saw the bitten off stumps on some of our tomato plants, then at night, with a light, we found two young horn worms. We suspect there are more, going by the damage...just have not found them yet.

Question: to create better visibility, how many leaves can I safely cut off my indeterminate tomato plants without harming the plants ? The bottom leaves below the first fruits were already removed, and today I removed some more because it was so hard to see through the thick of it where the horn worms might be hiding.

Comments (15)

  • 3 years ago

    Have you tried the blacklight flashlight trick? The hornworms glow when a blacklight shines on them.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Yes, thanks, that's how we found the two...

  • 3 years ago

    BT works great and is organic. By far the best nontoxic garden product (meaning it really works).

    doriswk thanked Donald V Zone 6 north Ohio
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Yep, Bt (Bacillus thuringiensis, Thuricide) is your answer. Apply by spraying. Amazing stuff. Works on all caterpillars. You can get it at most any big box hardware store or nursery.

    doriswk thanked daninthedirt (USDA 9a, HZ9, CentTX, Sunset z30, Cfa)
  • PRO
    3 years ago

    This isn't going to help for this year, but try some companion planting next year. Plant in umbrels like dill, and alyssum. These are for brachonid wasps. They lay their eggs in hornworms and other bad bugs in the garden. Leave some spots in your garden a bit messy with leaves for them to nest in too.

    doriswk thanked beesneeds
  • 3 years ago

    To follow up on Beesneeds good advice, below is a pic of what a hornworm looks like with the wasp eggs attached. If you see one like this it's best to leave it on the plant so the eggs can hatch out ok as they feed on the hornworm.


    doriswk thanked vgkg Z-7 Va
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Would anyone know if I can use mosquito dunks for this project? The first ingredient listed is BT, and I already have them here....how would I go about applying them?

    Last year I did this companion planting: one row of tomatoes had marigolds and alyssum ( too crowded) on one side of tomatoes, and peppers on the other side. This row attracted horn worms. The other row of tomatoes with marigolds on one side and basil on the other side did not get the horn worms. So this year I skipped the alyssum and I planted both rows of tomatoes in between a row of marigolds on one side and basil on the other, plus on one side I added some dill as well as borage in between the basil. AND I planted cosmos nearby to support parasitic wasp populations. Haven't found horn worms on the dill / borage side yet, but there are horn worms on the other side with just the basil, marigold and cosmos near the tomatoes

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I might be skeptical. Bacillus thuringiensis israelensis (Bti) which is the variety of Bt in a dunk, is allegedly aimed at mosquitos and gnats. Bacillus thuringiensis kurstaki (Btk) is what is conventionally used against caterpillars.

    https://gardenerspath.com/how-to/organic/bacillus-thuringiensis/

    doriswk thanked daninthedirt (USDA 9a, HZ9, CentTX, Sunset z30, Cfa)
  • 3 years ago

    If you used a blacklight on your plants and didn't find any more caterpillars then there is no reason to spray anything or remove leaves. There are typically only one or two generations per year, depending on where you live.

    Rodney

    doriswk thanked theforgottenone1013 (SE MI zone 5b/6a)
  • 3 years ago

    Thank you daninthedirt for mentioning that different types of Bt are meant to target different varieties of insects. I thought they were all the same.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Bt usually isn't marketed by the bacillus strain, though that's always called out on the label if you read the fine print. The regular garden-variety Bt is Kurstaki, and is aimed at caterpillars. I agree that it's confusing. By the same token, Bt isn't really bacteria. It's the toxin produced by that bacteria. The bacteria in your mix has been killed off.

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    vgkg Z-7 Va, we just found a hornworm with the wasp eggs. You are suggesting to let the horn worm feast on the tomato plant so the wasps can hatch. I don't want to loose the plant though ! Can't I leave the horn worm someplace else ??? Hubby put it all in a plastic box temporarily....

  • 2 years ago

    Thank you for your quick response, besneeds ! Can these types of wasps be dangeous to people ? My husband has an allergic reaction to wasp stings....that's why he prefers to drown the worm with the wasp pupae.... whereas I would prefer to have the wasps as our allies in the battle against tomato hornworms...

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    The wasps are harmless to humans, viable host bodies for their eggs. They could potentially sting if they are squished in your hand, so just don't try to trap and squish them with your hands. They are solitary and prefer to avoid us since we aren't food or hosts and they don't defend nests like larger wasps can be wont to do. In the very rare reports of stings, if there is any reaction to the very weak venom, it's usually localized to irritation of the site. More severe reactions are extremely rare.