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Rutgers tomatos small, wrinkled leaves

2 years ago

I purchased those tomatoes at home depot:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Burpee-Tomato-Rutgers-Organic-Seed-68878/206475043#overlay

I started seeds and home and they were growing very nice.

I put them outside when temperature was above 50 but few nights were around 35-40.

Later I started to take them home for a night but they got exposed to lower temp few times and stronger winds.

They seem to be growing but top leaves look wrinkled and small, although bottom leaves are big.

Are they healthy and should recover or this is not normal.












Comments (32)

  • 2 years ago

    Time will tell, but it does remind me very much of what a virus will do.

  • 2 years ago

    Looks like possible herbicide drift. The lawn in a couple of your photos appears to be quite lush and weed free. When is the last time it was sprayed?

    Rodney

  • 2 years ago

    i did not spray with anything. This is organic soil i purchased at home depot. Pots are on balcony.

  • 2 years ago
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    some more photos from today



  • 2 years ago

    I could see that they looked like they were on a balcony. I also didn't say that you sprayed them. If the lawn was sprayed while it was windy and the tomatoes were outside then it is possible the tomatoes got some herbicide on them accidentally. Hence my use of the term "herbicide drift". Perhaps you should look up images of "herbicide drift on tomatoes" and compare to yours.

    Rodney

  • 2 years ago

    We have some flowers at the ground level and i see gardeners coming and taking care of them. They even put notes about the danger of poisoning from spraying so maybe this is were it came from. Would those tomatoes survive on its own over time?


  • 2 years ago
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    FWIW, IMPE, weedkiller drift shows as whitish dead spots on leaves. I'm thinking it would have to be in the soil to affect new growth like that.

    It is possible that the potting mix or container might have been contaminated with some chemical, but I'm still thinking it's a virus, likely transmitted by an insect. Some tomatoes can be more susceptible to certain diseases.

    OP doesn't state where this is located, but cucumber mosaic virus can look like that. I'd check my local Ag extension website to see if they have info on common tomato problems for the area.

  • 2 years ago

    This is Chicago area.



  • 2 years ago
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    some photos i took this morning. I see similar thing on other tomatoes so this might be weedkiller drift as pictures look similar as examples online.





  • 2 years ago

    It looks like things getting worse. My other tomatoes have those strange leaves and one of the cucumbers just went dead from being perfect yesterday.

    I wish i could figure out the reason, is this herbicide drift, poisoned soil, or mosaic virus although i always believed that whatever happens to plants is natural response to external stimulus not internal disease or virus.








  • 2 years ago

    What potting mix/soil did you use?

  • 2 years ago
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    i used 2 types and some pots with one and some with other to see if there is any differnece.

    I also left tiny bit of soil from previous year but only 1 or 2 pots:

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Miracle-Gro-Organic-Raised-Bed-and-Garden-Soil-1-5-cu-ft-with-Quick-Release-Natural-Fertilizer-Peat-Free-74059430/326905012

    and

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/BONNIE-PLANTS-HARVEST-SELECT-1-5-cu-ft-Organic-Raised-Bed-Garden-Soil-Feeds-Plants-Up-to-2-Months-Ready-To-Use-OMRI-Listed-71659260/321945413

    We love to figure out the issue so i dont repeat this,.

    Last year i did the same and did not have issues except one difference:

    I did not get those rutgers tomatos from home depot.

    All seeds were from:

    https://uprisingorganics.com


  • 2 years ago

    There's more things that happen to tomatoes than any other vegetables. Does anyone in the vicinity smoke? Tobacoo mosaic

  • 2 years ago

    When tomatoes were growing under light on the floor i had a visitor for 2 weeks who was smoking. He would smoke outside but definitely could smell cigarettes when he was back in the house. He would also use very strong perfumes but not sure if this would matter. Attached how tomatoes look today.


    Koralik looks deformed at endings but still nice green color.





    Rutgers looks like they wont survive and soon i will have to kill it.



    I don't have experience so i don't know if i should pull the trigger or let them grow and see what happens. It seems like it is not easy to figure out the root cause.


  • 2 years ago

    so i went to farmers market and one farmer suggested spider mites.

    I see tiny web around leaves brunches etc.

    Strange thing is that yesterday i installed brand new railings and they show all those webs all over but i don't see any spider mites anywhere.

    I started to apply soap with water and oil and some:

    Bonide Captain Jack's Deadbug Brew Ready-to-Use Spray, 32 oz Outdoor Insecticide and Mite Killer for Organic Gardening




  • 2 years ago

    MPE with spider mite damage is that their webs are on the leaf undersides, and when you examine that area, you'll see tiny specks all over...





  • 2 years ago

    what are those webs then?

  • 2 years ago

    Have you determined that they are indeed webs? The last photo looks rather like milkweed or other seed fluff to me.

    Caterpillars make silk too, and spiders are beneficial.

  • 2 years ago

    I am not sure. Trying to figure it out. Like for example last two days temp went down to 55 for two days and today my tomatoes look like this. Again i see those webs. I dont see much. under the leaves. Not sure what is happening.




  • 2 years ago

    Not sure if it will help or not, but in the past, I removed the deformed leaves and disposed of them - if it is a virus, that might stop it from spreading.

    And I don't think there's much chance the messed up leaves will recover anyway.

  • 2 years ago

    i will just wait and see as seems like its hard to tell what it is.


  • 2 years ago

    Strange, i dont see any mites under leaves but i see those webs.





  • 2 years ago

    Those last pics look to me even more like some kind of seed fluff. Webs are usually anchored @ the ends, not sticking out like that.

  • 2 years ago

    i used some organic soap with oil and water but it seems like it burned the leaves a little.

    I will just wait a bit as i am slowly loosing my mind and have no idea what am i dealing with.

  • 2 years ago

    Agree with Carol. The "webbing" looks like cottonwood fluff to me. Having lived near mature cottonwood trees it can look like it is snowing when the seed/fluff starts flying. Everything gets covered in it.

    And yes, sprays containing oil can burn leaves in the sun, especially if it is warm outside. If this was a homemade mix you sprayed with it is always best to test it on a few leaves before spraying the entire plant.

    Rodney

  • 2 years ago

    Strange thing is that i dont see that "webbing" on any other plants around i have. Seems like it only sticks to tomatoes.

  • 2 years ago
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    It depends on where the fluff lands - and on the type of leaves it lands on. Tomato plants have tiny hairs all over, which make them more likely to catch stuff like that.

    FWIW, our neighbor has an enormous kapok tree, which has been releasing its fluff for weeks now - it's horrible when it gets on my herb plants - especially rosemary, which has tiny needles and is sticky from the resins in the plant.

    And this year's kapok seed load is much less than in the past - for which I'm grateful. The past years' crops have looked like a snowstorm

    The pods are around 4-5 inches long - pic from the web...



    Seed fluff is benign, tho, so you needn't be concerned about that.

  • 2 years ago

    is it possible that leaves could actually produce those "webbing" like things due to some stress? It kind if looks like they everywhere when damage is happening.


    I cannot see any fluff in the air at all., but there is lots of trees around.

    @carolb_w_fl_coastal_9/10 You mention the crops looked like snowstorm.

    How does the fluff affect the crops? Is is a live and feeds off vegetables or just blocks their growth by sticking to them?


    Today, i cut one of the rutgers tomatoes as i did not see any hope for it. I am keeping the other one i have but it also looks bad so seems like those will not recover.


    The only hope is that Koralik recovers but so far is going into bad direction.

    Lots of leaves got damaged, so today i sprayed all leaves with water while sun was not shining on them to clean them a little bit. They dried quickly and look a little better now, but lots of leaves just went dead, curly and got burned. (could be my fault from spraying them with soup, but they were already in bad shape)


    Probably spider mites was false alarm and i am dealing either with magical fluff or something else. I cannot find any pictures on the web with similar stuff.





  • 2 years ago

    As I stated above, seed fluff is harmless - it's just plant fiber and does nothing to either help or harm the plants it lands on - like cotton fiber.

    And in all the years I've grown tomatoes, I've never known them to produce any kind of fibers. What's on your plants looks like a very small amount that might have drifted in once or twice - really not a concern, IMO.

    How is new growth looking now? Has it improved?

  • 2 years ago

    hello, i cut lots of bad branches and leaves. I discovered that those "webby" things are actually part of leaves. If i try to rip off some of the leaves white webbing comes out of leaves. So i thing when leaves go bad that white webbing is just left over from leaves.










  • 2 years ago

    Have you ever wondered if the potting soil you bought was contaminated? I always use my own compost.

  • 2 years ago

    yes i though about but i wonder if contaminated then with what? I purchased 5 different bags.

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