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How do I know if my house HVAC is sized correctly

5 months ago

We recently installed an HVAC system in our house, which is 3,200 sq. ft. with 12 ft. ceilings. The contractor installed a 5-ton system, but I’m wondering if there’s a way to confirm if this is appropriately sized for our home.


Is there a calculation or method I can use to double-check this? Any insights or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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  • PRO
    5 months ago
    last modified: 5 months ago

    Residential HVAC systems are sized based on ACCA manual J heating/cooling load calculations and manual S equipment sizing. Your contractor should be able to provide a copy of the calculations for your review.

  • 5 months ago

    You can do your own calculation if your contractor. Most contractors don't do a calculation when replacing equipment and if they do the data is manipulated to make the answer come out to the size they want to install.

    You can purchase a single use copy from there for: $49 HVAC-Calc

    Few houses need 5 tons of cooling. The ones that do likely don't have the adequte supply and return duct work, nor the minimum filter size for the required air flow.

    Was the AC installed this month? Do you know what refrigerant your AC condenser uses?

  • 5 months ago

    One story house or two? Basement?

    How is the house zoned?

    How many thermostats?

    House and rooms orientation?

    Climate?

    Lots more goes into an appropriately designed hvac system than just the size of the unit.

  • 5 months ago

    "We recently installed an HVAC system in our house, which is 3,200 sq. ft. with 12 ft. ceilings. The contractor installed a 5-ton system, but I’m wondering if there’s a way to confirm if this is appropriately sized for our house?"

    Was this a replacement system? If so how big was the old system and did it work well? Where are you located?

  • 5 months ago

    Agree with all the nuance - FWIW we replaced 1 larger capacity system with 2 smaller zoned systems thanks to our HVAC pro and it has made a huge difference

  • PRO
    5 months ago

    "A properly sized HVAC system is over sized upwards of 80-90% of the time as the outdoor temperature you live in constantly changes."


    Where does this logic come from? It's based on my climate cooling loads because I live in a mostly hot climate where we run AC upwards of 10 months of the year.


    The big orange - yellow flaming rock in the sky is the biggest heat load known to man.


    Heat of the day: the hottest part of the day is typically between the hours of 3pm to 7pm under mostly normal conditions. 4 hour period. 24 hours in a day. = 1/6 of the day.


    Normal outdoor temp ranges 70-80F overnight. --- 95-105F during heat of the day period (normal range, not extreme heat waves etc)


    If 100% of a day is 24 hours. 1/6 of that is 16.67% of that day. 100-16.67= 83.33% of that day being oversized. Some days aren't as hot as others, some days have clouds that block the sun etc and so forth which is why a range of 80-90% is appropriate? uh, yeah.


    Heating issues is largely and for the most part the same thing except in reverse. (depending on a number of variables that to this point of the conversation are unknown.)


    The number I gave is based on math / science. Not word salad mumbo jumbo.


    I service the Katy, Texas area.

  • PRO
    5 months ago

    IMO the way to tell is how the house feels when the the HVAC is running . Do you have cold spots or a nice even temp I let the HVAC pros tell me the size I need when doing homes . I talk to them about any issues clients have had in the past . There are formulas to figure this out wated sapce with high ceilings are always tricky to heat and cool so IMO bit oversized is probably better Your climate is what decides this usually .

  • PRO
    5 months ago

    Ray,

    You've confused a system's operating capacity with the need for it to operate over a range of conditions. By definition, a properly-sized system is not over-sized. Ensuring an HVAC system is properly sized, controls well, and produces comfortable indoor conditions across the full range of outdoor conditions is a job for a competent HVAC design professional.

  • PRO
    5 months ago

    By definition, a properly-sized system is not over-sized.


    Ok so why then after a home has been fitted with a system by a builder when the house is built and is sized then... but 20 years later that system size has to be questioned and resized?


    Multiple guess.


    A. Builders do not know how to size HVAC systems?

    B. It's a feeble way to check your work 20 years later?

    C. Stop asking questions, follow our poor science. Don't question science?

    D. Builders build homes from what looks good on paper. You got 2 years.

    E. When all else fails please look at our definition, above.


    Now you know what I am for, only in person though and for a fee. If you don't like what I put here, you certainly are not going to like what I tell you in person. The builder rhetoric provided here isn't anything new to me. Choose your word salads carefully.

  • PRO
    5 months ago

    "Ok so why then after a home has been fitted with a system by a builder when the house is built and is sized then... but 20 years later that system size has to be questioned and resized?"

    Glad you asked. My (engineering) opinion is that an HVAC contractor (and their clients) will be well served to run manual J heating and cooling load calculations and to select equipment based on manual S for both new and replacement systems. I also recommend checking for duct leakage, which can have a dramatic effect on system sizing, performance and occupant comfort. If an HVAC contractor simply replaces equipment with new equipment which has the same nameplate capacity, the replacement contractor risks inheriting another contractor's design error. There's also a risk modifications may have been made to the home (e.g., additions, converting attic space to living area, energy efficiency upgrades, etc.) since original construction which alter the required system capacity.

  • PRO
    5 months ago
    last modified: 5 months ago

    the replacement contractor risks inheriting another contractor's design error.

    So as a builder Mr. Ross is admitting his designs are error prone?

    The house was new when system was installed it is now 15-20 years later.

    Say the house requires a 3.5 Ton AC system..... certain models don't make half ton sizes.

    Let's say the house calculation explicitly calls for 40,000 BTU but the manufacturers do not make a system that explicitly delivers 40,000 BTU's.

    So you're left with a few choices... under size the equipment run the risk they call you on the hottest day of the year saying the system is not cooling well. Uh yeah it was 108F today in the shade.... but you said you sized it accurately. -- but not for a really hot day?

    OR you over size it.. and a cooler summer comes in which temps only hit 95-100. The AC doesn't run long enough to remove humidity and black mold starts growing in the bathroom and or closets.

    I realize my challenges from my location are unique... but we'll spend all this time trying to size something that can not be sized exactly to what the calculation specifies.

    So again for review: Your AC will be OVER SIZED for upwards of 80-90% of the time. If the calculation is skewed to a half ton size, the system very well could always be at least a half ton or more too big.

    The builders provide me plenty of work even if it take me 10-15 years to realize those efforts? uh yeah.

    Still not to late for some new resolutions. I give you this opportunity every year, nothing new.

    I service the Katy, Texas area.

    For clarity: most of my changes involve AC only, to make changes to a bigger unit would likely require furnace replacement too for more money... I know what I am doing, and I am the only one doing it. If you don't trust me with your comfort then ignore what I say. Good luck to you, you will need it. [This very thread proves what I say is true.]

  • 5 months ago

    HVAC sizing requirement varies every time the cooling or heating load changes ... outdoor temperature variations, occupancy count, indoor activities. Every system is sized for an expected average for the factors of a given installation, which means they're undersized or oversized at every moment of the load not being exactly that average.

    The available workaround is either a (moderate effect) a two-stage system or a (better effect) variable-speed system.

  • PRO
    5 months ago

    I respectfully disagree. HVAC systems are sized based on calculated heating and cooling loads at outdoor summer (max) and winter (min) design temperatures specified in the code for the particular locale. The design temperatures are fixed as are the calculated heating and cooling loads for a particular home based on those temperatures. A system isn't "oversized" when it's operating somewhere between the maximum and minimum design temperatures. A system is oversized when the capacity of the installed equipment grossly exceeds the maximum design heating or cooling load, e.g., a 5-ton system installed for a 3-ton cooling load. I like to use the analogy of a car that needs to go between 0 and 70 mph. It's not undersized when it's tooling around town at 35 mph, (it needs the capability to operate at 70 mph) it's just operating around 50% of maximum design speed. Multi-stage and variable speed equipment have better turndown ratios than single-stage, single speed equipment. Better turndown capability helps mitigate the effects of oversizing and can really enhance performance of a properly-sized system.

  • PRO
    5 months ago

    Charles why then do we for as long as I have been in HVAC doing heat loads we upsize the equipment (almost always) after the load calculation has been performed?


    Why because the manufacturers do not make an exact sized HVAC for the load you calculate. Certainly the stars could align and you magically hit exactly 3 ton load or 4 ton load or 5 ton load... but even then that size is based on heat of the day or more extreme heat load of the season.


    So if you don't call this over sizing? I guestion that logic.


    I say tomato you say tamaato... it's more appropriate to call it tomato.


    The manufacturers even admit the problem create a 2 stage AC. However this really does little to address the problem as in doing so these systems do not have 1/2 ton sizes. So if you need 3.5 ton you likely go to 4 ton. The other problem is 1st stage is still roughly 70% of the full capacity of the system. The real advantage is only if 70% of the load of this machine comes out as being the actual load of the building "most of the time"... even with heat of the day of 3-4 hours in the afternoon almost everywhere --- it still winds up being over-sized most of the time.


    Outdoor ambient temps have an effect as well.... an 80F outdoor temp or lower outside while running the AC or even Heat pump for that matter in *cooling mode* will raise the capacity of the machine not what I would say significantly but still higher capacity than at 95F outdoor. This is science and that is how cooling loads work, HVAC isn't that conscise as you think it is... it is a range of performance on any given day.


    The context isn't about glossing over things and suggesting a heat load is fool proof because? you "say" it is sized properly. Someone else comes in runs a heat load that is in disagreement with yours --- who is right? Let's wait 15 years or 2 years to find out then say well we need to do another heat load calc?


    If you were wanting to get as close to as accurate as possible get your size in full ton sizing then choose an Inverter AC like Bosch, with 1% up and down load accommodations. That's about as close to nirvana as you'll get in terms of proper sizing all the time. Traditional AC even 2 stage no, Bosch is in the more premium department but it is a good option if you can afford it. Just realize not all inverter AC's are created equal, some could be 3 speed, some could be 5 speed etc. -- in this realm of inverter AC the goal is more along the lines of accuracy all the time no matter what outside loads are putting on the system.


    Heating loads are different as if you have gas furnace you're not relying on mechanical as much to perform the function. Design of the system can effect both positively and negatively. If you have a heat pump --- most heat pumps if not inverter driven begin to fall off a cliff in heat mode at around 35F, so climate will matter. Inverter driven can work much lower to around 5F and some models even lower.


    Sizing is only but a small part to the whole thing... design will bring any system no matter how well sized... to it's knees. While not that common I do even to this day come across newer to newish type builds with design flaws from who ever built it. The cure to design flaws? >start over.


    I service the Katy, Texas area.

  • PRO
    5 months ago

    If the calculated heating or cooling load falls between nominal equipment capacities, manual S will indicate the closest size equipment available without delivering less than the required load. The maximum capacity for cooling equipment following manual S is 115% of the calculated load for air conditioners and 125% for heat pumps. The maximum capacity for heating equipment following manual S is 140% of the calculated load. Equipment meeting those criteria would be properly sized--not oversized--at least according to the ACCA (Air Conditioning Contractors of America) which established the procedures. It is your trade association, Ray, not mine.

    How well a system operates over its design range is a function of a lot more than just the maximum capacity. To be sure, the ability to modulate cooling or heating whether by multi-stage or variable speed equipment improves efficiency and comfort. The OP's question was how to determine if the system installed in their home was correctly sized. The answer is to calculate the loads following ACCA manual J and then select the properly-sized equipment following ACCA manual S. The municipalities in which I work require both sets of calculations to be submitted when applying for a permit.

  • PRO
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    I failed to cite my source for the above: It's ACCA Standard 5 (HVAC Quality Installation Specification) You can download the specification at no charge. It's a great reference for comparing what your HVAC contractor is proposing for their contract scope of work with what their trade association specifies they should do. And it's a helpful reference for HVAC trade contractors who don't have a clue.