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Help with Granite Install

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Hi

We are working on a DIY kitchen remodel. We intend to re-use the granite and have successfully removed them from the cabinets without breaking them. We ran into a snafu in that the uppers ended up being hung 1/2 inch lower than the adjacent pantry. The uppers look good and we do not intend to re-hang them.

Instead, we will drop the lowers by 1/4 inch, leave the pantry 1/4" taller than the uppers and cover the height difference with crown molding to slightly go over the pantry face frame. The doors can be adjusted to ensure they all line up nicely.

What I now want to fix is the counter height. The previous lower cabinets were already hung on the low side and now they will be lower. I would like to put 3/8" high-quality (dense hardwood) 7-ply Baltic Brich plywood on the cabinets to raise the 3 cm granite by 3/8". That would bring the countertop height back to where it was at 35.5". Allowing for our 3/4" hardwood floor, we will have clearance for the DW with that height of that opening being 34 1/8" as the manufacturer's minimum install height is 33 5/8".

I am seeking help with the feasibility of this plan. I called Toledo Plywood and talked to their manager, who said he believes that this hardwood plywood is sufficiently dense for this installation method. I intend to prime the plywood with oil-based primer and paint it before the install to protect it should we have a problems such as a leaky faucet.

I am seeking additional input and advice on this install process. I would like to thank anyone in advance for info shared. This has been a very stressful remodel, but I think it will come together soon. :)

Comments (18)

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    The plywood would be a filler or basically a shim then? Unless you're looking for it to be structural it "should" be fine. Remember plywood on the flat has zero structural or supportive properties.

    jlcorp thanked millworkman
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    @millowrkman. I am not sure how to answer your question. I thought we would first apply the plywood and then use shims on top of the plywood should we need to level anything for the granite.


  • last month

    Again as long as you are not looking for it to support the granite it should be fine. If it is supporting the granite it is a no go as plywood on the flat has no real structural integrity.

  • last month

    "plywood on the flat has zero structural or supportive properties."

    re. "supportive properties"; is it your opinion that the plywood would not work to increase the height of the countertop?

  • last month

    Again are you looking at it strictly to raise the height or are you using it to support the granite? If you are looking for the strength of the plywood to support the granite, no.

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    We would just be using the plywood to raise the height. The cabinets and the shims will be doing the work of supporting and leveling for the granite.

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    What happens to the edge of the granite? It is a laminated edge or a mitered edge?

    Depending on the edge and its height, the plywood might be visible.

    Here is a 2 cm slab with laminated edge and plywood placed above cabinets. It was designed this way, typical installation for 2 cm slabs in CA.

    Adding any more height would make that plywood underlayment visible.

    You might have been better off raising the base cabinets and doing a taller toe-kick.


    jlcorp thanked chispa
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    @chispa .We will have only one cabinet exposed like the one you have pictured. I ordered skins and I will install the skin so it covers up the plywood edge on this side. The plywood will be precisely cut to sit flush with the base cabinets. We have full overlay doors/ drawers that can be adjusted upwards so that the plywood will not be visible in the front. I was actually going to get some wood filler and fill in the spaces of the plywood, then sand, prime & paint to match the cabinets so it will make any tiny sight of the plywood blend with the cabinets.

  • PRO
    last month

    You have a second thread on what seems to be the same question.

    https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6513513/question-on-diy-reinstallation-of-granite#n=1


    It's best for everyone to keep everything in one spot.


    I have no idea what you are trying, or intend to do.

    You have provided too much information.


    Try to simplify. For example.


    Our lower cabinets are installed. We are reusing the granite tops, but want to raise them 1/4". What do I use to shim them up and how to best attach the shims and tops.

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    chispa's comment re: an issue with seeing the plywood is exactly what I was thinking while reading your post. If you were putting in new countertops, you would be able to change the edge in order to make sure that the added plywood is covered. However, since you are reinstalling your existing countertops, there may be an issue with the plywood being visible.

    I also was wondering why you couldn't raise the lower cabinets by it under the cabinets + just installing a taller toe kick as chispa has also wondered about in her comment above.

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    @PPF. One post asks if this can be done and the other post requests instructions on the best way to do it. The other post is asking more specific installation questions. I think I have concluded that this can be done, so I moved on and my other post focuses on how to correctly re-install the granite over the plywood.

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    @dani_m08. I can't raise the base cabinets because then I would have to raise the pantry to get the lower doors to line up and then the upper door of the pantry would not line up.

  • last month

    The problems stems from the fact that our old cabinets that were called 42" uppers were actually 41-1/2" cabinets. We kept the same layout and our new uppers are 42". We hung them at the same height as the old cabinets, not realizing that the old cabinets were 41-1/2" tall. So then the pantry sticks up 1/2" above the uppers and the doors do not align.

  • PRO
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    Plywood is a thickness compensator for a 2 cm stone with a 4 cm built up edge. It's not used with 3 cm. 3cm goes straight on the cabinets, with shims to level.

    jlcorp thanked Minardi
  • last month

    @jlcorp - I forgot about your panty issue.


    I know that you've noted in your post that you like the way your uppers look (even though they were installed too low). HOWEVER - it seems like it might be easier to just raise the uppers to where they should have been installed vs. trying to figure out ways to make the mistake work.

  • last month

    I'd place your shims on the upright portions of the cabinets where they are supported vs just where the plywood is - as the plywood is likely to just deflect. But basically using the ply as an extension of the cabinet sides is fine -it's like a big flat shim

    jlcorp thanked just_janni
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    No, my photo was not to show the exposed side of a cabinet, which was being covered by the range in that kitchen, but to show you that raising the counters would expose the plywood along the front of your cabinet installation.

    Sure you can try and cover it up and paint it, but that is the MacGyver solution and not the proper/elegant solution.