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29 days ago

I have finally decided on a paint color for my kitchen cabinets. it is by Farrow and Ball. I spoke with the cabinet guy last night and he uses a specific laquer from SW and says they can match the color. I was listening to a design podcast recently and they stated that they stick with SW, Ben Moore and F&B. But they do no match from one line to another as each company has a different base tone so you never get a true match as the base is different. My cabinet guy said they will do a test door and deliver it for approval. He says he has used this level laquer for cabinets for years and stands behind the finish.

On a side note, has anyone used F&B for kitchen or bath cabinets, and if so does it hold up?

Comments (12)

  • 29 days ago
    last modified: 29 days ago

    F&B cannot be matched by SW. F&B is a special paint - while I wouldn't suggest having BM or SW match paint for each other, I would never do a paint match for F&B ever.


    I don't know what type of paint F&B has for cabinets. You need to look into that - they may not have specific professional paint for cabinets.

  • 29 days ago

    SW is a world leader in coatings and their Emerald Urethane Trim Enamel is exactly the coating you want. I have had them color match F&B and they do this perfectly. In truth, the color is not what makes a coating special, it is the formulation. As consumers we are drawn to the colors, and color matching is something SW does incredibly well. Listen to your professional. He is giving you good advice.

  • 29 days ago

    But the formula can affect the color. Perhaps not dramatically so, but nuanced. For some people that may be a-ok, for others it would make them unhappy.

  • 29 days ago
    last modified: 29 days ago

    F&B is primarily distinguished by its high concentration of pigments, which create a distinctively deep, velvety, and chalky finish that interacts dramatically with light. It reflects light differently than any other paint I've seen.

    It provides rich, multi-dimensional color that changes throughout the day based on lighting.

    They use a higher level of titanium dioxide and natural pigments (rather than plastic fillers), resulting in a superior, albeit more fragile, finish.

    That is where the problem lies - in the durability of the finish. I just did some quick research - F&B does not have a professional cabinet finish available. That's why I wouldn't use F&B for kitchen cabinets.

    Your painting professional is using a professional type of cabinet finish. Although, my understanding is that most pros have switched from using lacquer to a 2k finish (e.g., Milesi/Renner/etc.) You will receive a much more durable cabinet finish than if F&B was used. However, the color will not be identical if color matched (the color may be - but not the finish and way it interacts with light).

    As @porkchop_z5b_MI has stated above, some people may not be able to distinguish the difference between F&B and other paints - but others would know that F&B had not been used = unhappy. For some, the trade off of durability for the finish that F&B paints provide would be acceptable (I guess they would have their cabinets painted more often).

  • 29 days ago

    Exactly what Julie S says. As the only one on this thread who has actually color-matched F&B with SW paint, I speak from experience, not from web site blurbs. So does your cabinet finisher. Good luck.

  • 28 days ago

    The local cabinet company I used matched BM Chantilly Lace in their cabinet paint. They did a 6x8 sample first and when I liked it, they then made a full sized cabinet door. They also matched a SW color for a bathroom vanity and it was close to a perfect match.

    Unless you get a test sample you will never know ...

  • 28 days ago

    If you picked the sample of F&B from a paint store it will never be anble to be matched exactly in a lacquer cabinet paint. Different product completely from ANY of the paint companies. Residential paint is just that and the true cabinet paints are not from the residential line.

  • PRO
    28 days ago
    last modified: 28 days ago

    F&B is AWFUL paint for cabinets. Not at all durable. Expect to touch up constantly if you insist on using it. No quality cabinet finisher with a conscience would let you pick it. And they also would never ever use house paint like Emerald or Advance. Those are NOT cabinet paints, unless you are an amateur homeowner with no access to professional grade supplies and a sprayer.

    A good finisher would tell you that they could do a 95-97% FB match in an actual professional wood coating finish. F&B isn't as accurate to match as is SW or BM. If you have concerns about accuracy for an off brand like that, PAY for a sample gallon of $200 material and 2 hours of $300 an hour time to have it sprayed out. IF they have to do a bunch of back and forth with it, it gets more expensive.

    My suggestion would be to pick to match from a different brand of paint that is known to have better accuracy in professional grade materials.

  • PRO
    28 days ago
    last modified: 28 days ago

    Your cabinet finisher should absolutely insist on NOT using house paint on cabinets. None of it is durable enough to stand up to normal kitchen wear and tear.

  • 28 days ago
    last modified: 28 days ago

    F&B is its own formula. I've tried, and it can never be matched to that precise caliber. You say my cabinet guy? What do you mean by that? You have no control over what he uses? So, he is not a true cabinet maker, who builds and finishes to please his client. He sells you cabinets, but, surprise, he only uses SW (where he gets a discount) to paint them. I've got a bridge to sell you.

    And, yes, Farrow & Ball offers durable finishes suitable for kitchen cabinets, specifically Modern Eggshell finish.

    It will be expensive, but hey, we only go this way once in a lifetime.

  • PRO
    27 days ago

    If you're already under contract with the cabinet maker you may be stuck with their preferred materials they have vetted & use daily. Otherwise its something to discuss up front. (99.9% of buyers base their decision other things).


    Our cabinet fabricator uses an SW stain/dye product. Doesn't come from the walk in store. Outstanding material. I bought a couple of pails to match doors.