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toilet placement

6 months ago

I am currently having a 3 bedroom custom home built. The toilets were recently installed with two of the placed with the back 5 inches and 4 inches from the wall. They look like they are sitting in the middle of the room. The issue was pointed out to the construction manager and this was his response "The reason behind the toilets are because of a floor Joice right in the middle of the pipe we had no choice but to pull the toilets in those locations,." Should this not have been discussed and some solution found instead of randomly placing the toilet bowl. The one powder room is large enough to build a wall in front of the current wall to close the gap. Do you think this is a reasonable suggestion to make and have them complete at their cost as they were the ones to make this decision?

Comments (21)

  • 6 months ago

    Photos? What do your CAD drawings show? Thos sounds ridiculous

  • 6 months ago

    Can get some pictures tomorrow. What would CAD drawings be?

  • 6 months ago

    The plans for your home. The layout of each bathroom.

  • 6 months ago

    CAD = Computer-Aided Design.

  • PRO
    6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago
    • A "Custom Home".......

    This term gets abused as often as the word luxury! Custom? Or a builder spec home allowing you custom options. The two are very different, The first often refers to one with an architect, lot usually selected by the owner. Call it the "Exactly the way I want it home to the inch" .

    The second, is most often a scenario of the builder owning the lots, multiple plans available , and a range of selections for interior finishes .....from basic to much pricier upgrades,

    I will go all posters above one better. You don't have a cad of a single thing. You have a floor plan at best ( interior framing ) and I will bet on that, too.

    That said? There is NO excuse I can think of for this. Not one..

    Showing us layout probably tells us not much. ...do it anyway. The mystery BOO BOO lies in between the construction/framing plans.

    Why? Simple explanation below

    Construction plans (or drawings) include architectural, site, MEP, and structural details, while framing plans specify joist sizes, layouts, and beam locations for builders.

    Key Differences:

    • Purpose: Construction plans (or blueprints) show the final layout, finishes, and dimensions. Framing plans are technical, structural drawings that show how the building is supported.
    • Detail Level: Construction drawings might show where a wall goes, while framing plans specify the exact studs, header sizes, and joist spacing.
    • Focus: A, floor plan (construction) highlights room layout; a structural framing plan highlights columns, beams, and load-bearing elements

    While smaller projects might combine some of this information into general construction notes, larger or more complex projects require distinct, detailed framing plans for structural integrity.

    ^^^^

    Bet me somewhere in this^^ lies the screw up.

  • PRO
    6 months ago

    Couldn't agree more with Jen's summation. Framers screw up, and it went over builders head if he didn't pick that up.

    When floor joists are being marked out, framers always note toilet locations and take the necessary steps to make sure the toilet doesn't end up in the middle of the joist, and there is a clear run for a sewer pipe to any wall.

    That being said, if your "custom" builder is not willing to take steps and do anything to address this screwup, look on the bright side: at least down the road, when the time comes, you don't have to worry about painting behind the toilet tank :-)

    Good luck

  • PRO
    6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    ^^

    I laughed at that......shame on me. : )

    But 100% correct on the joist issue./soil pipe conflict and no possible way this happens on any true custom build. Just no way.

    Probably an overtaxed /overworked foreman who was MIA., up the street at another build or in an office ordering materials..................

  • 6 months ago

    Is there an opportunity to rotate the toilet so it sits better in the space? i am really sorry you’re dealing with this - building is so stressful (we are finishing up a house and I have not enoyed the process)

  • 6 months ago

    "Should this not have been discussed and some solution found instead of randomly placing the toilet bowl."


    Yes, of course it should have been discussed. I agree with others here that in fact it should never have happened; the potential for such an issue should have been caught at the design stage. Sadly, there are folks in the building business who don't spot a problem till later on in the process, and in effect shrug their shoulders and make absurd choices, rather than alerting the client and the rest of the team that there is a problem to be solved.


    It certainly isn't true of all designers, builders, and their team members, but by golly when you're the client and this type of thing happens to you, it's upsetting (to say the very least). I wish I had a solution for you. All I can offer is sympathy.

  • 6 months ago

    Do you have an interior designer? Ours created plans for each bathroom that show specifically where toilet, vanity, fixtures, etc go. If this document exists on your end then that is something to find.

  • PRO
    6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    ^^^

    Pretty sure his floor plan shows exactly where they go, and they are in the spot, EXCEPT...way too far from the wall, jutting far into the room.

    That has nothing to do with anything but the incorrect framing , and the decision to say " Oh well" As noted Millworkman exactly

    This:

    "When floor joists are being marked out, framers always note toilet locations and take the necessary steps to make sure the toilet doesn't end up in the middle of the joist, and there is a clear run for a sewer pipe to any wall."

    Whatever he has on floor plan? Is . now a problem needing xray vision: ) to repair

  • 6 months ago

    Just trying to find ways to help the homeowner and bring something to their builder to try and get this resolved vs repeatedly tell them what the error is.

  • PRO
    6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    I realize that, (W.C^ )but by the time you get to a toilet actually in place in any bath /build ? You are on a finished bath floor and. way beyond a minimal or super easy "fix" . Certainly would have been different if caught when a soil pipe was jutting up from the sub floor..... in the middle of nowhereville.

  • 6 months ago

    Clearly thet are still hoping for some kind of fix or acknowledgement of wrong doing and a remedy they can live with. Am simply trying to suggest ways homeowner can present info to team on how this is an error and try and get something done.

  • 6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    Perhaps a wall behind the toilet with recessed shelves into the void above the toilet. This is one of our bathrooms where the only storage was found in the wall.




  • 6 months ago

    Sometimes the only affordable choice is to make the best of a bad situation. And for that, I like auntthelma's idea a whole heckuva lot. I'll add that If you have any concern about things falling off shelves into the toilet (nervous? moi?), you can have doors on the cupboard. Since in your case the shelves can actually extend partly past the wall, you can get a lot of depth in the cupboard. Handy for storing extra rolls of t.p.


    Alternatively, there are commercially available over-toilet shelving units that you might be able to customize a bit so that they look more like a feature than a bug. Or perhaps you could get one custom built. I'm not promoting Wayfair or any of the units shown at the link below; I'm posting it to show you some ideas.


    https://www.wayfair.com/storage-organization/sb1/over-the-toilet-bathroom-cabinets-shelving-c1826530-a47988~424802.html

  • 6 months ago

    Bonus points to @auntthelma for making lemons out of lemonade.


    I am curious though, if a wall is to be bumped out the extra 4-5", how does that impact everything else that might be on that wall and how it supposed to line up with other demarkations in the space. For example, is there also a window on that wall? The faucet for a tub and then placement of a tub? Sometimes a bump out is simple and other times you are entering into tetris hell.

  • 6 months ago

    Once they framed my custom home, I immediately noticed that 2 of the toilet drains (in a cement slab) were in the wrong spot. I told my builder right away and he said he had already noticed it and the slab cutters would be by the next day to cut the slab, so plumber could move the drain. Repairs were done and everything was in the correct location. That is how mistakes should be handled.


    When did you notice this?

    It should have been visible once framing and rough plumbing were done, but before any finishes were installed.

    I stopped by our construction site everyday to see progress and catch any mistakes ... no one knew that floor plan better than I did!


  • PRO
    6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    ^^^

    What she said. Is it unfair , this brutal truth? Yup. but truth it is. Open walls, a frame with Tyvek and winds whistling through dirt, grime.! dust. You, the trusty floor plan in your hand, and I what I call the "ugly check up" , just looking for a possible wart, or deadly melanoma.

    It's wonderful when you are local and within easy drive. A build at a distance means a designer is your needed ally. Is that time and or money? Yes. But so too the mistake that can be avoided, with that diligence in the process.

  • 6 months ago

    You could tell your builder you want work stopped until this is resolved.

    Remember, your leverage is money that is in your pocket, so tell the builder what you expect him to fix and then tell him you will hold back what it would take for a third party to fix the mistake.

    I agree though, that the word "custom" needs to be defined, because it will most likely make a difference in how the builder treats you and the problem he created.

  • 6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    I just went and measured my toilets! The tanks are 0.75" to 1" from the wall, except the one they dug up the slab, and that one ended up 2" from the wall. That distance is still ok, but 4" or 5" from the wall would not look good.

    2" is still a gap, but 4" or 5" is a hole behind the toilet!