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Tall Tree Suggestions Needed

19 years ago

I have an area where I am planning to plant trees and shrubs. I thought I had the plan all set, but now am having second thoughts about a Hackberry tree that I had planned as a screen so that we won't see the trailer down the hill from us.

The plusses of a hackberry are a fairly fast growthrate and the height of 40-60 (or more) feet. However, it seems to be host to several diseases thatdon't affect it. but may affect my other trees/shrubs.

My requirements are that it be at least 30 feet tall (we live uphill from where it will be planted and really 40+ feet would be better), is usefull to wildlife (food source is best, but as cover would be okay), is hardy to zone 4 (without protection), is easy care (no spraying) and has a decent growth rate (slow will not do). A real plus would be if it is native (preferable) and has nice flowers and/or autumn color - but not a requirement.

Other trees I have planned for that area are chokecherry, JM, 2 crabapples, sourwood, hawthorne, serviceberry, redbud, tree lilac and fringetree (and yes, I know several of them aren't native - so sue me). There are several shrubs that produce berries intermixed in that area too (winterberries, hollies, inkberries, firethorns etc).

Here is your chance to advocate for your favorite tall tree.

Comments (12)

  • 19 years ago

    If the lightness/airiness of the foliage of a birch will provide sufficient coverage, either paper or sweet or river ('Heritage' is whiter barked than the species) could be an option. Planting a clump, or several clumps could be enough coverage. I would go with the paper birch, which I would dearly love to grow here, and can't.

    Various oaks, beech (may be too slow growing), maples are all possibilities. Of the maples, I like sugar maples. Northern red oak is probably the best oak for your area, but may not be fast growing enough. The same applies for a beech, another tree I dearly love. Tamarack would be an interesting compromise between a conifer and deciduous choice, being both.

    If you want an evergreen, and if wooly adelgids aren't a problem in your area, then a hemlock would be one of my first choices. Second might be a balsam fir, but it too might not be fast-growing enough.

    Not just one tree, but some which I fondly remember growing up in VT, but which just won't grow in SC.

  • 19 years ago

    It seems I didn't mention what I don't need: Birch, oak or more maples, there are about a million on the property already (the JM I have planted was a gift from a friend - otherwise it would not be on the list in my previous post). I also am not looking for an evergreen.

    However, beech or tamarack might be a possibility - I'll have to look into them. Hmm, there is also the new elm out there, anyone have experience with them?

  • 19 years ago

    Well, since you only asked for TALL trees, that's what you got. I would agree that if they are already there, something else might be nicer. The only reason you might want to rethink the "no conifers" idea is if the trailer is very visible when the leaves are off the trees. If you think the bare branches will do the job, OK.

    Another possibility, again from past memories, is a butternut. You might not be able to find one, as I am not sure if they have commercial qualities, so aren't propagated. You might find a tree and plant a few nuts. The nuts are edible, but need treatment like walnuts (same family), drying, dehusking, with attendant stains, and shelling. They are tasty, as I recall. The squirrels would appreciate them, if you didn't. Walnut is another, more easily found, possibility.

    I've no experience with the new elms, nor with any of the re-created/hybridized chestnuts, which might be another tree variety to think about.

  • 19 years ago

    How about a Lime(Tillia sp) These grow very tall but not sure of their growth rate.

  • 19 years ago

    Recommend adding a conifer. Conifers mixed with hardwoods make for a wonderful landscape. 3 things point to a conifer here : you don't have any; you're looking for something tall; you want a visual screen.

  • 19 years ago

    What about Liriodendron tulipifera? They are listed as being found in VT, but not NH. Perhaps they grow there anyway?

  • 19 years ago

    Tilia americana, basswood or American linden, is listed for zones 3a-8a, so might well do. Maximum heaight at 75 years is 28m, at 20 y., 9m.. T. cordata, littleleaf linden, the European tree, has the same zones, will be slightly shorter, and grows a lot tighter, with branches to the ground if it has room. There are other species, so you might find one to plant.

    The only caveat is that all Tilias seem to be slightly prone to insect and some disease problems, so may not be too attractive or long-lived in your setting.

  • 19 years ago

    Liriodendron. Very tall, healthy, very beautiful.

    If it were my place, I'd also give an American elm a shot. I have a 'Valley Forge' here and planted one at my old place in z5. Neither was old enough to show its true DED colors, but I can tell you that, in both places, japanese beetles do some damage in the summer.

    Not sure if nyssa sylvatica will do OK in z4, but it's a lovely tree and might be worth looking into.

  • 19 years ago

    Liriodendron is listed as zones 5a-9a and 4b with selection of appropriate genetic material - so it might be winter-killed. They are lovely trees, tall and relativley slender.

    N. sylvatica is listed as hardy in the same zones, so it seems with both of these you would be pushing the edges of the hardiness. Tupelo is seemingly hard to transplant so a smaller, container-grown tree would be better than a larger, field-dug one.

  • 19 years ago

    Thanks for all the suggestions. You have given me a lot to think about (and I thought that part was over when I made the plan out). I'll have to research into the Linden, Basswood, Liriodendron, Butternut, Tilia and Elm a bit more before making my decision - always the tough part.

  • 19 years ago

    American basswood (T. americana) is a hardy, fast-growing native tree. They can get quite tall. PLUS they have fragrant flowers in early June. Butternut (Carya) is a good choice, but it is a s l o w grower. I wouldn't risk a Tulip tree (Liriodendron). They are iffy in zone 4.

  • 19 years ago

    Black Cherry - Prunus serotina 50-60' (100')cherries
    Tulip Tree - Liriodendron tulipifera 70-90' (200') flowers 2nd largest tree east of Mississippi
    Cucumber Magnolia - Magnolia acuminata 50-80' flowers & fruit
    Pin Cherry - Prunus pensylvanica 25-40' (80') cherries
    Hickories - Carya sp. nuts
    Butternut - Juglans cinerea 40-60' (100') nuts
    Black Walnut - Juglans nigra 50-75' (150') nuts
    Balsam poplar - Populus balsamea
    Big-tooth Aspen - Populus grandidentata 50-70' grouse eat buds
    Quaking aspen - Populus tremuloides 40-50' (100')grouse eat buds
    American Beech - Fagus grandifolia 50-70' (120') seeds

    Ziggy