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Are my trees doomed?

14 years ago

After reading this forum for months now, I'm posting my first message with the hope that someone may be able to help give me some hope when it comes to a number of trees I planted. I'm a first year homeowner and I'd spent the past 6 months planning the landscaping of my backyard which was pretty sparse and devoid of anything green other than weeds that seemed like they'd had the run of the yard for decades. The yard was fairly sunny until about a month ago. My neighbor has a row of maples on the northeast side of the yard. I planted about a dozen trees after those trees leafed out, but once those trees' leaves filled out, it increased the shade in the yard substantially. I'm worried that I made a really foolish mistake not waiting to plant and I'm concerned that I don't have enough sun for these trees to have a chance that having a healthy life. Many of the branches of maple trees in my neighbors yard hang into my yard and I'm seriously considering asking my neighbor if I can prune the larger branches to get more sunlight into my yard. The rub is that I'd hate to do anything that would harm those trees (they're beautiful) and I have a hard time justifying cutting them back substantially and potentially harming them just because I made a mistake. If there is anyone who could let me know if you think my new trees will survive the conditions, I'd really appreciate it. Not sure what my plan B is but it'd make me feel a lot better knowing one way or the other. Here is what I planted and the times/hours when they receive direct sun. Later in the afternoon, many receive dappled sun but nothing substantial.

3 Rhododendrons 3 1/2 hours

Sun 9:30am

Shade 1:00pm


Viburnum plicatum tomentosum 4 1/4 hours

Sun 10:00am

Shade 2:15pm


Centennial Girl Holly 3 1/4 hours

Sun 10:00am

Shade 1:15pm


Green Giant Arborvitae 3 hours

Sun 10:30am

Shade 1:30pm


Green Giant Arborvitae 3 hours

Sun 11:00am

Shade 2:00pm


Green Giant Arborvitae 3 hours

Sun 11:00am

Shade 2:00pm

Eastern Red Cedar 3 hours

Sun 11:30am

Shade 2:30pm

Skylands Oriental Spruce 2 1/2 hours

Sun 12:00pm

Shade 2:30pm

Green Giant Arborvitae 2 1/2 hours

Sun 12:30pm

Shade 3:00pm


Green Giant Arborvitae 2 1/2 hours

Sun 1:00pm

Shade 3:30pm

I live just outside of Boston -zone 5- From what I can gather looking at online programs showing the position of the sun, the yard should get sunnier later in the summer (aug/sep) when the sun rises a bit away from the maples - maybe wishful thinking on my part. Prior to the trees leafing out so much, my yard was very sunny back in march, april and early May.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Thank you.

David

Comments (8)

  • 14 years ago

    Heya David. I have tried many plants in the part shade/shade realm myself and have had limited success. Full sun plants just simply look better and healthier in full sun. I can speak for a few of your plants, Rhodedendrons are actually BETTER OFF with that kind of a sun setting, part shade or even more shade. Your 'Skylands' may also benefit from this configuration though it may not be as brilliant gold as other specimens, it should burn very little(if at all) with this limited sunshine. Others will have to chip in on the others.

    One more thing too, very important to your problem, is the light will actually be at it's strongest/longest on June 20th/21st, which is the longest daylight day for any location in the Northern Hemisphere. You should have upwards of 15-16 hours of daylight that day, so you may want to measure again then but also, bad news, by Aug/Sept. it will be MUCH LESS sunlight on those same trees as your days will be closer to 12-13 hours long and the maples will still be in full leaf.

    -Will

  • 14 years ago

    shade will not kill plants.

    all it does is reduce vigor .. and make the 'establishment' period longer ...

    you have nothing to lose in trying ...

    your bigger problem.. with large maples.. is insuring PROPER WATER thru the whole root mass ... for at least this year.. and maybe next ...

    PROPER PRUNING of the maple has nothing to do with harm.. nor the long term health of those maples ... if done properly .. which would NOT involve cutting large branches at the lot line... if you go this route.. see if he will allow the tree trimmed to properly cut at the trunk.. rather than at distance ....

    did you imply they were just planted this spring???

    forget about the rhodies .. other than water.. they should do OK in the shade.. presuming its not too dark ... same with the ERC ....

    lots of good words in your post.. but pix would speak louder ... see link ... the HTML code ...

    good luck

    ken

    Here is a link that might be useful: how to post pix

  • 14 years ago

    Thanks for your messages. Relieved to hear that some of the trees will do okay and the others aren't in too much danger. They were planted a few weeks ago, all of them are about 4 or 5 feet tall. I'm going to talk to my neighbor about pruning the trees. Some are really blocking the sun; i think that it could increase the sunlight - fingers crossed that I can get his consent.

    thanks again for your thougths. I appreciate it. I'm still concerned about the Green Giants but hoping for the best.

    Here are a few photos i took earlier this evening.

  • 14 years ago

    Wow, those are HUUUGE trees and I can't see a pruning job really helping because they are so high and wide. It may just be that you'll have to do with the light you have and see how things go. Also a pruning job is going to be VERY expensive even if it is recommended(which I can't imagine) and he gives his consent.

  • 14 years ago

    The Picea orientalis 'Skylands' is planted to close to the fence. Not enough room to grow symmetrically and falls way short of needed sun exposure especially the side facing the fence. This is a highly desirable and sought after cultivar. It will not prosper where you have it planted.

    You need to move it out into the yard.

    It needs 8 hours of full sun. A screen is also recommended for two years to acclimate or it will burn.

    The same applies for Juniperus virginiana... aka eastern red cedar but in the real world not as sought after or valuable as the 'Skylands'.

    Dave

  • 14 years ago

    Eastern Hemlocks may do fine, and are excellent trees even if they may get too large in 30 years, but you may have to worry about the Adelgid problem.

    Nootkatensis or Alaskan Cypress (also called false cypress or yellow cedar or a dozen other names) does okay in less than full sun, or at least looks okay.

    You could at least move the row of trees out away from the fence to a little more sun and put Hostas along the fence?

  • 14 years ago

    do what dave said ... but what he didnt say was.. and i will yell ....

    DO NOT MOVE THEM NOW ... its just too close to the heat of summer.. it is stressed from one planting.. and we dont want to stress it ... as the heat grows in july/august..

    if you are in z5 MA ... you would do it in either late sept/oct ... when the other trees leaves turn colors. ..

    or immediately after ground thaw in spring.. thru the end of april ... which would give it 8 to 10 weeks to get the roots pumping water.. before the heat of next summer ...

    there is nothing to do about those trees .. short of buying the lot.. etc ...

    but i sure dont like the one giant one.. that seems to overhang your house ... which might be an optical delusion of the camera.. in the last pic .... its above a green conifer .... either the juniper or GG ... if it could fall on grass.. ignore it ...

    what i think about with those pix.. is the heavy machinery that was needed to build your house .. which looks rather new.. and the long term impact of soil compaction and root crushage.. on those giant old trees.. i would suspect long term .. 10 year .. decline ....

    ken

  • 14 years ago

    I dunno Ken-Verlio's house doesn't look newish to me, what with the stone foundation (I think). In any case, you are correct about two things there: Root compaction IS a huge problem for established trees, and the damage shows up slowly. But at least to my eyes, this does not appear to be such a case.

    If neighbor guy does allow for some trimming on his trees, hopefully it will be done by someone who knows proper techniques, someone who is ISA-certified. That's not quite a guarantee of good work, but it's a great start.

    +oM