The Miele 1215 washers are based on Miele's professional Little giant models, which are assembled in the Czech Republic. However they maintain the same quality control standards, so I wouldn't worry about quality.

From the pictures of the new mega Miele's on the other thread, the serial badge on the door hinge says Made in Germany.

Jon

I'm really not quite sure why it would make any difference whether a machine was manufactured in Germany or the Czech Republic. I'm relatively certain that Miele's exacting standards would be the same in either location. Undoubtably, and regardless of the place of manufacture, the engineering originated in Gütersloh.

Relax and enjoy your new appliance. I'm sure you have years of trouble-free and efficient service ahead of you.

What's wrong with the Czech Republic? Are the Germans somehow better than the Czechs? It's not like it's made in Italy.

What's wrong with the Czech Republic? Are the Germans somehow better than the Czechs? It's not like it's made in Italy.

You forgot a smiley. :-)

Quality is not a function of nationality. It is a function of management. That's why Hondas built in Ohio are as trouble-free as the ones built in Japan. That's why Chrysler has an inferior reputation for quality despite the use of German designers and (some) suppliers. Oh, and FWIW, the Porsche Cayenne (Porsche's SUV) is built in the Czech Republic (Bratislava). Hasn't seemed to hurt demand any. :-)

Last time I checked, Bratislava is in Slovakia. 's OK, in most of modern history Czech Republic and Slovakia was one country (Czechoslovakia), and both countries are quite heavily industrialized from early on.

Oops -- my bad. My main point stands, however: despite whatever political differences exist, Czechs and Slovaks certainly are capable of building a high-quality product.

I think the "key" word is assembled. No doubt a cost of labor issue in a tightening global market. Of course quality depends on where the parts are manufactured and sourced from, and secondly stringent quality control on the line when the product is assembled. Anything can be assembled anywhere but as manufacturing history has taught us, there usually are trade offs when products are outsourced. The poster makes a very good point regarding Honda. While those automobiles are assembled in Ohio, the parts are sourced from all over the world. It certainly hasn't affected the perceived quality of the end product. Again with "perceived" being the operative word.

In truth, the domestic content of the Honda Accord now is upwards of 70%. So while it's likely that there are a few handfuls of nations among the firms providing the parts, 70+ percent of them are right here in the U.S. of A.

Toyota's Camry domestic content is even higher -- 80+ percent last time I looked it up.

East Germany, Czech Republic, what's the diff? At least that's what Adolph said, when the Wermacht marched into Sudetenland... my bad.

Seriously, given the very high quality of firearms and other tight-tolerance machinery made in Czech Republic, I would not worry.

Of course they also have thee most gorgeous women on Earth... but I'm not sure which factory churns THEM out... ;')

hey everybody, thanks for the feedback. here are some issues:

1. mis-representation of facts. meiele website says "QUALITY: Made in germany". label on miele box says "Made in czech republic". mismatch of facts.

2. you dont see a lot of czech cars around, do you? i mean, skoda is not the most quality car out there.

3. Cayenne is not made in germany? Are you sure? As a hardcore porsche (and bmw) guy myself, i am pretty sure ALL of the porsches are made in germany. they might do metal work for the body panels there, but final point of assembly and engine are german. nobody would buy a porsche if engine didn't come from germany.

2. you dont see a lot of czech cars around, do you? i mean, skoda is not the most quality car out there.

Years ago, Skoda quality (or, more accurately, lack of quality) was a running joke. Since then, however, Volkswagen purchased Skoda and now its vehicles are every bit as good as Volkswagen's (which aren't Toyotas or Hondas, but there are compensations for that).

3. Cayenne is not made in germany? Are you sure? As a hardcore porsche (and bmw) guy myself, i am pretty sure ALL of the porsches are made in germany. they might do metal work for the body panels there, but final point of assembly and engine are german. nobody would buy a porsche if engine didn't come from germany.

Here's the scoop, from automotive.com:

In size, Cayenne most closely matches Volkswagen's Touareg, which is no surprise, given that the two vehicles were developed jointly by Porsche and VW. As a result of this cooperation, Cayenne and Touareg bodies are built at the same plant in Bratislava, Czech Republic. Engines and other Cayenne components are built by Porsche in Zuffenhausen, Germany, and mated to the Cayenne shells at a new assembly plant in Leipzig, constructed exclusively for Cayenne with its own pavement and off-road test tracks.

So I guess we're both right. :-) Bratislava also is an assembly site for at least some of Volkswagen's diesel engines.

Once again, Bratislava is not only NOT in Czech Rep., but is the CAPITAL city of the Slovak Rep. (So much for automotive "journalism".)

Number two, IIRC, some large percentage of Porsche Boxsters are cranked out, under contract to Porsche, by Valmet in Finland. Sorry if this upsets the pro-German bigots, but Valmet also makes very prized high quality firearms, mil-spec aircraft components, and... Porsches, lol.

It's pretty humorous how the Porsche afficianados, incl. my good friend from Denmark, think "Poorsh" is some rare, "handcrafted" machine, when of course it's really just a robotically-built, mass-produced, assembly-line commodity, pretty much like any other car. If it makes you feel warm and fuzzy that a guy named Hans or Fritz touches up the robotic welds with a hand-held side grinder, before they roll into the robotic paint booth, then by all means, that's healthier than sniffing glue... go for it. ;')

But when the "fine German craftsmanship" fetish extends to--of all things--a freakin' WASHING MACHINE, well, that's outright ROTF-LMAO!!

PS: So YES, you have been "shafted", and should definitely send that Czech "POS" back for a full refund! Your dirty shorts are "too good" to slosh about in that inferior poseur of a washing machine! ;P

fixizn you dont get it. its about the fact that i was told "Made in Germany" and when i get the box it says "Haha, Made NOT in Germany, haha"

how would you feel if you paid for two first class tix to italy and intead ended up flying coach to iceland. close enough, huh?

fixizn you dont get it. its about the fact that i was told "Made in Germany" and when i get the box it says "Haha, Made NOT in Germany, haha"

Take action, insist on the real deal. We're in total agreement. I do not know if Miele did or did not cut corners to get that lower-priced labor. At the very least it's bait-&-switch on the part of the N. American sales/distribution hosers, telling you what you wanted to hear, just to close the deal. I *hate* B&S! They probably can't even GET that model TOTALLY made in Deutschland, so hassle 'em for a partial refund.

OTOH, I have been to Prague and Brno on biz, and it seems like a fairly squared away and industrialized little nation. (With HOT women all OVER the place! OMG! Not a chubber in the bunch!) What if they offer you a Miele made in... Switzerland? ;')

Full Disclosure: I must admit that I do NOT like to spend time in the laundry room, or doing laundry, so I've made it a very UNfashionable room with utilitarian (American) machines. Burst-proof steel-braid hoses, nach. ;')

Switzerland i'll take right away! :)

i will ask for free 5 year warranty they sell on their website - thanks for the idea.

yeah, eastern european chicks rule. of course i am biased since i am from ukraine ;)

Ukraine! World HQ for beautiful women with black hair and contrasting blue eyes!... or so it seems. ;')

PS: Good idea on the negotiated warranty, since that's really what it boils down to. Let us know how that goes with those lying, bait and switch hosers.

My Volvo V50 is made in Sweden, no, wait, Belgium.

My Nokian tyres, however, are made right there in the Finnish Lapland.

I was made in the Czech Republic, it was Czechoslovakia back then, so obviously they produce excellent products! :)

Good grief, when did Gardenweb, a branch of iVillage ("the daily destination for women"), become a Maxim-like discussion forum about sports cars and sexy women??

BTW, the statement above ("It's not like it's made in Italy") is an odd one - in the automotive world, nobody comes close to Italian-built Ferrari for F1 wins over the years, and much-lambasted FIAT has been named European car of the year more often than any other company, Porsche included. - DR

Good grief, when did Gardenweb... become a Maxim-like discussion forum about sports cars and sexy women??

I guess when European washing machine enthusiasts showed up... LOL! Adding to the irony of a "finely crafted German washing machine", is that the Germans themselves do not seem to be that great at laundry... in fact a good many of them--both in Deutschland and ex-pats in the USA--seem to be "rumpled" most of the time. ;')

BTW, the statement above ("It's not like it's made in Italy") is an odd one...

I rolled my eyes as well, but dared not get any further off topic. Adding to the humor is how poorly Porsche (in USA, during the 1990s anyway) scored in terms of reliability and customer satisfaction as polled by JD Powers. I guess Lexus finally got them motivated and in 2006 they finally reached the top.

i agree... I decided to buy a miele as I was told made in germany all parts except for the rollers on the dish-rack. On the website, it clearly has made in Germany on the front of the dishwasher for the model I purchased and also the display model in the store where I purchased it clearly said "made in Germany". I got my dishwasher a couple of days ago and it says on the panel made in czech and I feel duped. I expect that the quality would be there but I made a choice based on the fact it was "made in Germany" and very few companies can say that anymore. If Miele could guarantee the quality is consistent then why don't they also send out their top end dishwashers to Czech or elsewhere but keep those in house? I think that says it all.