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Tandem 20A or 15A breakers

17 years ago

I have a Siemens G3030MB1200, 200 Amp, 30-slot main service panel and am in the plannning phases of electrical wiring for a kitchen remodel.

I am wondering if anyone can help interpret the NEC on use of tandem breakers. It seems every spot in the panel could accept a tandem breaker and while I don't intend to do that, I'm unclear on NEC's take on use of tandem breakers. If I were to use all tandem breakers would I only be able to use 15 of the 30 slots? And if that's the case, is there any advantage to using them?

Please help clarify if possible; also are there any good references published online to address such NEC questions?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Comments (6)

  • 17 years ago

    Looking quickly at Article 408 in the 2008 NEC, the limit of 42 overcurrent devices in 408.36 Exc.2 probably applies as an absolute maximum. 408.54 further limits the maximum to that for which the panelboard was designed, rated, and listed. Counting the devices, a DOUBLE-pole breaker is counted as two devices. The NEC, as best I can determine, is (strangely) silent on the count for TANDEM breakers. I count them as two, but others may differ. In any event the panel maker should have posted the maximum number, if any, of tandem breakers permitted.

  • 17 years ago

    According to your panel # you may not use any tandems. A 3030 means 30 spaces, 30 circuits. If it were a 3040 you would have 30 spaces but allowed to have 40 circuits, and 5 of the 15 stabs would be notched, allowing you to use 10 tandems. The notched stabs would probably be the bottom 5. You will also see a label with a diagram showing where the tandems are allowed.

    Yes you can buy non circuit limiting tandems which will fit in panels with no notches, but they are intended only for replacements on older panels before the rejection methods were designed, and where you don't exceed the number of circuits allowed by the manufacturer.

    As for the NEC, it falls under the requirement to follow manufacturer instructions.

  • 17 years ago

    "The NEC, as best I can determine, is (strangely) silent on the count for TANDEM breakers."

    The NEC limit is on 'overcurrent devices'.
    A tandem / slim / half size breaker contains two devices.
    A 240 V breaker contains two devices.
    A 3 phase breaker contains 3 devices.

    The limit on a residential panel is 42 devices, not including main devices if present.

  • 17 years ago

    How would a singular slim or half size breaker count as 2 devices?

  • 17 years ago

    How would a singular slim or half size breaker count as 2 devices?

    Actually, it doesen't. I think GE is the only skinny made anymore, everybody else does tandem or piggyback types which are two breakers. Brick just kept going on a list of stuff and should have stopped sooner.

  • 17 years ago

    There are so many brand names and 'trade' names for the breakers it is ridiculous.

    If it has two handles (attached or not) and controls two hot lines it counts as two devices.

    If it is a single handle but has a smaller width it is a single over current device device.