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aphid issue + not many predators

Hello, dear Container G people!!!

So, let me know if this would be better in the Balcony forum (though it doesn't look all that lively lately).

Besides the normal container challenges, the environment itself is a challenge here and the normal corrective processes seem slow or absent.

My patio is on the 3rd/4th floor of a building, and it gets very very hot, and the walls are solid and go up to 4 feet high at least.

So, there tends to be not much insect life at all in my pots, other than the "bad" kind, aphids and ants. Whatever eats aphids doesn't seem to come here, I think because the insects don't know the feast that is here.

Other than trying to put my pots up higher (by balancing them on other empty turned over pots, I guess), what else could I do to attract other insects?

I hesitate to buy ladybugs b/c I think they would just skedaddle to somewhere more comfortable, like my neighbor's beautiful huge garden right next door, which is probably 10 or 15 degrees cooler, with lots to munch on.

Or should I just not worry about the aphids? (Though, maybe they are what attracted the ants... and the ants really bug me. They kind of set up shop. Big eww factor, plus, I don't want them to come inside.)

One thing I may do is plant some native milkweed. If I made sure it peeked over the wall, that would probably help.

On the other hand ... aphids don't usually kill plants, do they? Maybe I should just not worry too much. And get an umbrella to cool things down.






Comments (16)

  • 11 years ago

    Aphids feed on plant food, on the sugar (produced during photosynthesis) in the sap, so they limit your plant's potential relative to the degree they are present and actively feeding.

    If aphids are all you're worried about, spray them off in the morning with a sharp stream of water after any dew has dried. This timing helps to ensure you're not prolonging the length of time the plant remains continuously wet and inadvertently providing an appropriately long incubation period for any errant fungal spores that might be hanging around. If you don't have a jungle full of plants, a 50/50 mix of water and rubbing alcohol offers instant knockdown against aphids, mites, and some stages of mealybug, and the crawler stage of scale.


    Al

  • 11 years ago

    A systemic like imidacloprid will take care of that aphid problem straight away. You also need to deal with the ants. Bait stations will take care of the ants pretty effectively. You really have to eliminate the ants because they will pick the aphids up after you knock them off and carry them back up the plant.

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks, Al and Nil13!!!

    Holy mackerel. I knew ants "farmed" aphids but I didn't know they went to such lengths! Wow.

    I have a follow-up now, about 5-1-1 v Gritty for pests, but I will go do a search first. It would be nicer not to have to kill things...


  • 11 years ago

    I'm not adverse to using products that deliver imidacloprid - it's a great insecticide and I use it regularly. I especially like Bayer 3-in-1 for insects, disease, and mite control, as well as the liquid imidicloprid soil drenches. I DON'T like the products that deliver imidicloprid in granular form like Marathon or Dragon. Recent research is showing imidicloprid gets a bad rap for a lot of things it's not responsible for. I just tend to try to follow IPM practices when I think it might be feasible. IPM practices would have us using the least noxious chemical possible to bring insect populations down to numbers we can live with. That's one of the reasons neem oil is an oft used tool in my box of tricks. It doesn't work fast, but it works great for the patient.


    Al

  • 11 years ago

    Neem oil has a pretty small application window in SoCal due to temperature. It was 85F here today.

  • 11 years ago

    Okay, so to make sure I understand - is it Bayer for the aphids and Terro baits for the ants?

    I really appreciate the help, folks!

  • 11 years ago

    Yes that is correct.

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks again, folks!

    I just put out the ant baits yesterday, and I'm hoping for the best. If I'm lucky I can attract more different kinds of insects and not have to do this again.

  • 11 years ago

    I wouldn't count on beneficial insects for pest control on a balcony.

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I would still add plants that attract beneficials, as they are just fun to grow.

    Such as basil, as I like to cook too, so the plant has dual purposes and aphids hate basil!

    http://www.dianeseeds.com/flowers/beneficial-insects.html

  • 11 years ago

    The "beneficials" N2SG needs are most attracted to nonbeneficials.


    Al

  • 11 years ago

    For some reason, this all reminds me of the time a squirrel got into the balcony -- it ate everything but left the basil - the only food crop I had -- for last.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    "I DON'T like the products that deliver imidicloprid in granular form like Marathon "

    Al, why not? Is it because it takes too long for the imidacloprid to translocate inside the plant? I do not see how it is much different than a soil drench, other than that the granules may take a little longer to work.

  • 10 years ago

    I have a gallon of granular Marathon, and I've used a granular product called Dragon, too. Both products seriously affected root health of the plants they were used on. The plants were indoors, under lights for the winter. Several barely made it through 'til spring when I could get them repotted. Those were the only plants I ever had difficulty with.

    If I use imidacloprid now, I usually use the Bayer 3-in-1 spray (always use this for plants growing outdoors) or a 1.47% soil drench mixed 2 tsp/qt of water (indoor applications).

    Al

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I am curious how granular imidacloprid be able to affect root health like that? Maybe it is something else in Marathon/Dragon's formulation? Wouldn't it break down within 2 months or so, if you didn't use much? I'm thinking about using bionide systemic granules for a serious chilli thrip infestation in my rose garden.

    Also, why the 3-1 spray with fungicide and miticide when one doesn't need it? easy availability in stores?