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Confused & need help please

11 years ago

I know just about zero when it comes to electricity. I have been reno'ing my kitchen for the past year. Yes...year! A friend, that is an independent builder, has been helping me for the last 6 or so months with some of the smaller things. He came over the other day to install my kitchen faucet, disposal, hook up the dishwasher & get me running water. When I got back that afternoon, he told me that the electrician had all of my appliances on one circuit breaker. He said each appliance should be on their own individual breaker. Fridge, disposal, dishwasher, stove. It's been so long since the electrician was here & I don't remember what he said about how many of those I needed & if he even added any. My house was built in 1949 & when I bought it 14 years ago, I had the electricity updated because I was installing central air & heat. I'm not sure what all they did back then, but I think the guy added 1 or 2 circuit breakers. Am I'm supposed to have a seperate breaker for each of my appliances? Isn't it expensive to add breakers?

Also, this is kind of weird, but the electrician put 3 outlets on each wall, that are appx 7-8' long & under the sink, he added 3 more. Was this necessary to add so many? It's not like my kitchen is large.

Thanks for any information you can help me w/. I appreciate it very much.

Comments (8)

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    "Should" is a word that doesn't count for much. You "should" have an electrician hook up the appliances because your friend is not licensed to do so. You "should" have a permit to do this work. And all the appliances do not need to be on separate breakers. Your friend is already wrong 3 times right out of the gate. I could be just as correct to say you "should" have a larger electrical service, asbestos abatement, and more insulation in your walls and attic. I would sooner trust the electrician except that it sounds like the electrician even failed to label the panel correctly. You need 2- 20 amp small appliance branch circuits that supply only the countertop and a few other things including the refrigerator and power for a gas range. The "second" small appliance branch circuit could actually be the receptacles around the dining room, by the letter of the code, and not have anything to do with the kitchen countertop. The dishwasher and disposal can normally go on the same 20 amp circuit unless they are industrial sized. The 3 outlets under the sink is a little strange. They may have been for the purpose of fishing in wires and not really supposed to have receptacles in them. You should get a qualified electrician in there to trace circuits and label the panel properly while determining whether you really need more circuits in the kitchen. There may even be the correct wires already pulled back to the panel, but all being turned on by 1-3 breakers for now because more was unnecessary at the time. It would be hard to guess if it is anything other than typical.

    NEC 210.52(B)

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks Fred. Let me see if I understand what you're saying. I need 2-20 amp small appliance branch circuits. They will supply anything on the countertop - as in coffee maker, microwave, when I use a mixer or something like that? That would feed the many outlets he installed, as well as the fridge & my dual fuel range? "The "second" small appliance branch circuit...is that the 2nd of the "2-20 amp branch circuits"? That will feed my dishwasher & disposal? I don't have a dining room. If I'm correct w/ what you're saying, I should be fine w/ the 2- 20 amp circuit breakers. My electrician is a Master Electrician, which would tell me he knows what he's doing.....but is he honest in what he's doing? I've since become leary w/ what anyone tells me since starting this reno.





  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    The link to the actual code is at the bottom of my last post. Read it.

    How many GFCI breakers or receptacles do you have?

    A DUAL fuel range would have a separate 2 pole breaker, your friend has gotten you really confused and shouldn't even be wiring your dishwasher if he thinks that range is on the same circuit as the counter receptacles.

    The garbage disposal and dishwasher would NOT be on the two small appliance branch circuits, but they can be on the same circuit together.

    If you are not willing to spend the time to figure out what EVERY breaker in your panel does and label the panel accordingly, then get an electrician in there to do it. Until then, don't buy into your friend's drama.

  • 11 years ago

    I didn't notice the link, so thank you, Fred. Not that it'll mean much to me! And yes, I am confused, which is why I'm here. I appreciate the information, tho. I looked in my electric box on the outside of my home & each of the breakers are labeled. If I'm correct, the electrician did label some of them. I think where I'm even more confused now, is you mentioning "small appliance branch circuits" & then "the same circuit together". I guess I'm not sure what a branch circuit is. I just thought there were circuit breakers & they each fed electricity to certain lines/receptacles. So, you can see my electricity knowledge is limited! I can definitely say, I have no idea if my range is on a seperate 2-pole breaker because, as I'm sure you know, I have no idea what that is either! I'll get my electrician back out & have him explain it to me.

    At this point, I have 1 GFCI by my sink. As I said in my original post, he put 3 outlets on each wall, that are appx 7-8' long. I should have been more clear, that they are just the boxes w/out the plugs in them right now. He has only added 2 of the boxes w/ the actual plugs. One being the GFCI by the sink. I need to get him out to finish the other boxes & will ask him about all of this. I just wanted to see what other electricians say about each appliance w/ their own designated breaker. I've had enough BS from the workers on my house that I wanted to be armed w/ information before I get him back out. I'm still not sure I got the answer, but will hope for the best!

    Thanks for your help. I know electricity is very complicated.
    I appreciate your time.


  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    The part you need to read is at the very bottom of the page AND the next 2 pages. It is worded a little different than how I explained it, and may help you understand it better. I am guessing from your further explanation that all of the wires are not hooked up to breakers yet. You will probably end up with another GFCI receptacle on the other side of the kitchen feeding those 3 outlets. That he is not finished, explains a lot. It is good to try to get a better understanding here. If you read part (B) of the code a couple of times, what the electrician says will make more sense. Counter top receptacles can not be any further apart than 4', and 2' from the end of the counter.

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    You basically need 2- 20 amp circuits for the countertop receptacles which can also power the refrigerator and countertop microwave. You also need another 20 amp circuit for the dishwasher & disposal on the same circuit OR a dedicated circuit for each that could be 15 amps each depending on the specific appliance. Your range will have a 2 pole breaker for 240 volts. Anything more than that is above code requirements. The refrigerator could be on a separate 15 amp circuit, but not always necessary.

  • 11 years ago

    To add to what Fred said, not just the countertop, all the countertop and WALL receptacles in the kitchen and related areas must be on the two-or-more 20A appliance circuits that have NO OTHER OUTLETS. The code does have an exception for the fridge to be on a 15A (or better) circuit,

  • 11 years ago

    Fred, thank you so much for helping & your explanations. Believe it or not, it is making a little more sense to me, after reading the few pages you sent. I figured out what you were sending me to read did start at the bottom of that 1st page, but not until I was completely.....what?!! Then I saw the appliance info. I read thru it once & do plan on reading another couple of times. I haven't had a chance to call my electrician yet, but plan on doing it tomorrow. He's very busy that it'll probably be a couple of weeks before he gets here, so that'll give me time to buff up on my electric knowledge....well, ideas of how things work....sort of!! I very much appreciate your 101 class on electricity!

    I'll come back after talking to the electrician & let you know what
    he had to say. I do believe he's on the up & up, but all of those
    boxes really made me question his work! I need him to explain what he was thinking
    when installing all of them!

    Ron, thanks for adding your info too. GW is pretty awesome!


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