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Romex insulation question

11 years ago

We have basement bedroom that experienced a leak due to a gutter drain problem. The carpet was ruined, and there was some drywall damage as well. I removed the drywall along the concrete block wall, and found that the two outlets along that wall have wire that drops down from the ceiling to the outlet and loops back up to continue on. One of the pieces of romex appears slightly damaged in that the outer insulation is missing on one side for about 1 1/2 inches in one place and about 1 inch in another. It doesn't appear that the insulation on the individual wires is damaged. Do the wires need to be replaced?

I'm hoping to avoid having to remove the ceiling drywall but haven't yet figured out any way to replace the wires without doing so.


Comments (9)

  • 11 years ago

    I looked at it more closely. The white wire is exposed, and there is not enough extra wire to cut the bad piece and still have it reach where the outlet ought to go, so the wire has to go.

    Luckily it seems that the bad spot is on the segment that goes from the first output to the second as shown in this picture:

    If that is the case I can fairly easily replace just that piece. Any ideas on how I can tell for sure?


  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    If its only the outside jacket you should be able to fix it by covering the areas with heavy duty electrical tape. The insulation on the individual wires is the primary electrical protection, while the outer layer is more for physical protection from abrasion.

    The individual wires can be protected with metal or plastic conduit, metal flexible spiral wrap (BX cable, etc.), or by a heavy duty vinyl/rubber jacket (like your NM cable).

    Bruce

  • 11 years ago

    What I meant is that the cut goes all the way through the insulation of the white wire in the "bad spot"

    It is good to know that the other less bad spot can be covered with electrical tape.


  • 11 years ago

    If you've cut the insulation down to the wire (and not just the jacket), then I think you should replace it.

  • 11 years ago

    I have verified that all of the rest of the outlets listed as being on that circuit are off when the breaker is on, but the piece labeled "to fuse box" is disconnected. I then connected the "to fuse box" wire to the "to rest of circuit" piece turned the breaker on again, and all of those outlets showed as active. Lastly I checked the piece labeled "bad spot" and the ohmmeter shows continuity.

    So I'm convinced that that piece can be snipped off at the ceiling, and be replace with a new piece, and the rest of the circuit will work.

  • 11 years ago

    You do know that you must make a junction in a junction box, right? (Cannot tell exactly what you have in mind from your post.)

  • 11 years ago

    I do know that, thanks for checking. My plan is the following:

    Since I cannot see for certain where the damaged wire goes above the ceiling, I was describing the tests I did to deduce that the wire was as I drew it, in case someone saw a flaw in my reasoning.

  • 11 years ago

    You might be able to use the old wire to pull the new wire through the ceiling. Depends on if there are staples and/or any other obstacles.

  • 11 years ago

    That's a good idea I'll see if that will work. I suspect that the old wire is stapled though.