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HVAC Choice Advice

11 years ago

Hello,

I need some help deciding on a system. Our home is new construction in East Tenn. The house is 1800 sq ft/main; 950 sq ft/2nd level and approx 1000 sq ft/ basement. The basement and main level will share the same unit but are not zoned separately. Ductwork, linesets and all electrical have been run by the builder's original HVAC guy, a bit of a story why I didn't go with them.

I have the following quotes for heat pumps. I do not have natural gas available. Both include 5" pleated media filters.


1) Trane A $16,900

XR16 HP/ TEM 6 Air Handler/ 624 Tstats

Main-Basement unit 4 Ton with 15kw heat strip

2nd Level unit 2 1/2 Ton with 10 kw heat strip

Trane B $15,402

XR14/ TEM6 / 401 Tstats

Same size units and heat strips as above


2) Am Std A $13900

Main - Basement

Gold 17 (4A6H7048) 4 Ton HP/ TAM 6 (TEM6AOD48H41S)/ No Tstat specified

2nd Level

Silver 15 (4A6H5024) 2 ton HP/ TAM 7 (TAM7BOC60H51SB)/ No Tstat specified


On the Am Std website it shows the TAM 7 as the matching unit for the Gold 17 should I question this? Also I am still waiting to hear on Tstat model numbers.


Trane is offering 10 years on parts & compressor, 2 years on labor

Am Std is offering 10 years on parts & compressor and 10 years on labor if we do yearly maintenace.


A manual J has been done and I have family & friends who have used both and recommend the. I feel comfortable with either of them.


Are these two systems comparable? It seems the Am Std is a better deal but don't want to take the lower price based solely on price. I would like to choose the best value.


Brgds and thanks in advance for your all's help.

Cntrybmkn

Comments (9)

  • 11 years ago

    Have you reviewed the Manual J calculation? I find it hard to believe that a 2750 sq. foot new construction house needs 6.5 tons of cooling. Something is not right.

  • 11 years ago

    I will assume your new home will have excellent building/insulation qualities. If basement is insulated and below grade or even partially below grade, it will have small heating and cooling load. I don't like the way either dealer has sized you. Have you received in writing a load calc for each zone. If not request one. I might consider using zoning control for the main floor/basement zone. The equipment quoted is the XR series, exact same available from AmStd. All excellent choice especially for heat pumps. Thermostats do matter. Wouldn't have the models the Trane dealer quoted. Regardless, I would want pleated filter media cabinets for each system. I like the AmStd quote the best especially with the 2 stage HP condenser for the main floor/basement. I would though look into zoning control for that system.

    IMO

  • 11 years ago

    Mike_home & Tiger,

    the basement is a walkout and all exterior walls are insulated. I have better quality vinyl Windows and R50 in the ceiling.

    I have only seen the totals from the manual j not the actual breakdowns by floor.

    I was told by Am Std that the unit quoted didn't come in 1/2 ton increments which is why a 4 ton was quoted.

    i will ask for the complete manual J calc and come back with those numbers.

    I will also ask for a quote for a zoned system as well.

    Thanks for the advice so far.

    cntrybmkn

  • 11 years ago

    Mike_home & Tiger,

    the basement is a walkout and all exterior walls are insulated. I have better quality vinyl Windows and R50 in the ceiling.

    I have only seen the totals from the manual j not the actual breakdowns by floor.

    I was told by Am Std that the unit quoted didn't come in 1/2 ton increments which is why a 4 ton was quoted.

    i will ask for the complete manual J calc and come back with those numbers.

    I will also ask for a quote for a zoned system as well.

    Thanks for the advice so far.

    cntrybmkn

  • 11 years ago

    cntrybmkn,


    I just want to give you a point of reference ....Your home could be completely different than mine, but I'm in a 2400 sq home.. Not including a 1200sqft basement... Built in 2004 in MD, near the PA line... At the time of build, it was a EPA energy star home. I do heat the basement in the winter, but do not cool it, in the summer... I just close all the basement vents in the summer.

    In it, I've got a 3.5 ton AC and a 100K propane furnace.. The AC is more than enough to keep my place cool, even down to 68F on days where it hits 100F. Furnace is way more than enough.. It's over sized... I don't have any zoning, but I do have returns in every room. Even without the zones, no one has ever say the top floor was to hot or cold, compared to the main floor.


    Based on my place, with just a 3.5T AC, I'd say the 6T for AC is over doing it...


  • 11 years ago

    For crab,,,glad you recognize your furnace is oversized...is your furnace single stage or two stage?...

    TD

  • 11 years ago

    Furnace is single stage ... It's a York Diamond 90.. with either 92 or 93% efficiency... Can't remember.

    I'm replacing my AC with a heat pump because the AC compressor doesn't sound right and propane prices have been killing me. I'm keeping the furnace and going to a dual fuel setup... The plan is to use the heat pump down to 35F (outside temp) but below that, to use the furnace..



  • 11 years ago

    Sounds like a good plan....you will need a DF thermostat and I recommend an outdoor sensor so you can control the changeover between fuels. Outdoor sensor should be located in complete shade.

    IMO

  • 11 years ago

    I picked up a Honeywell Prestige IAQ.. I was thinking about putting the outdoor sensor under my porch roof or bay window..