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Help with adding cable in prep for high-speed internet

10 years ago

We are currently DIY remodeling our kitchen. The walls are down to the studs, and the exterior electrical box is easily accessible through the kitchen wall. We currently have slow DSL but will someday upgrade to high-speed internet. We do not have TV so the upgrade would be just for internet connection. A friend told us we should run both Cat6 and Coax out to the electrical box, so that in the future when we choose either ATT or Comcast they will be able to hook up at the box.

We believe we should run wires now while the wall is open. We can easily run wires from the electrical box, through the wall, and up into the attic/crawl-space. My husband is skilled at electrical work and has done all the other wiring in the kitchen, but we are naive about the wiring for internet. Our plan is based on a bit of internet research, please forgive me if it's whacky - this is why I'm seeking confirmation of our plan. We would much appreciate somebody double-checking our thought process and conclusions, and tell me if we are on the correct track.

  1. Run both quad-shield coaxial and cat6. That will allow us to choose a provider based on their offerings and not be limited by the cable.
  2. Put a coil of 50 feet of each type of cable into the crawl-space, run it through the wall and out to the electrical box. For now, it will just sit coiled unused in the crawl-space, and unconnected at the electrical box. When we upgrade to a high speed ISP the provider will hook up at our electrical box, and we will have 50 feet of wire in the crawl-space to run to the appropriate destination.
  3. I'm looking at "RCA 50-Feet Quad Shield Coax Cable (DH50QCF)" - is that a reasonable choice for the coax? Is there a meaningful difference in quality between different brands? Does this have the proper connectors?
  4. I'm having trouble figuring out what to use for Cat6. Can somebody recommend a specific product?
  5. I am not trying to plan the interior routing or boxes to terminate the wires now, does that make sense, or am I setting myself up for a problem downstream?
  6. Is there something I'm missing? A pointer to a tutorial on wiring a house for internet would be helpful, either a prior thread on the topic or a third party website. Is there a better forum I should use if I have follow-up questions, or is this a reasonable place to ask for help?

Thank you in advance SO MUCH for your help. Amy (and husband James too)

Comments (8)

  • 10 years ago

    Looking closer at the reviews for the RCA RG6, they are quite mixed. One thing that may be a problem is if it needs to be cut, a standard connector may not fit snugly enough because the diameter of the cable is a bit smaller. You may be better off buying it in bulk at HD and letting the internet company put connectors on it if you still want to bury it in the wall. If not, let them supply the cable since only about a foot should show outside before it goes into the crawlspace, and it can be behind the conduit for the service feed riser if you watch them and keep them from being sloppy. But, I always run the cable myself because they are usually sloppy.

    Amy thanked User
  • 10 years ago

    Thanks Fred for the information. I appreciate it.

  • 10 years ago

    I'm not sure I 100% follow what you're doing, so I'll try not to confuse things. In my neighborhood, with mostly relatively older homes, all the feeds are overhead from the street. I'm unclear if the "electrical box" is the demarcation box for the telecom provider that you get your DSL from. I guess it's a decent assumption that cable would come to the same point from the street.

    I like the idea of putting a conduit in and not worrying about the wiring for now, unless you want to re-pull your existing phone line. Definitely think about where your gateway/router/wifi AP will go in the future. You might also take advantage of the remodel to put wires in the walls to some locations for future wired network/TV. Even if you don't want TV, a future owner might.

    We relatively recently moved from DSL to Uverse internet. I had set up our wired/wireless network even with the slower DSL service so that it was relatively painless to upgrade (old house). I used a structured wiring panel as a hub for the phone/network wiring throughout the house (our DTV coax is run separately). Our gateway and router are in a central location, also, for wifi coverage. If you have that much of an opportunity in terms of access, you might consider setting things up to do something similar in the future. I have coiled Cat 6 in the attic/crawl to a couple of rooms that I haven't yet needed to go back and install wall outlets.

    FWIW, I've had good luck buying stuff from Firefold (bulk cable, patch cords, Keystone jacks and wall plates, etc). They're in NC, so cost and time for shipping aren't bad for me in GA.

    Amy thanked thull
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    For wall jacks, install the cords in a standard outlet box and hook them up to keystone jacks which snap onto a face plate which screws to the outlet box. To apply wires to the keystone jack you use a punchdown tool. People that work with these every day would get the impact punchdown, but since you wont use it daily the standard tool will work just fine.

    For coaxial heads, compression is the only way I will do it, it is easier and the best way. I have used this kit with success. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Coax-Installation-and-Testing-Kit-with-Connector-VDV002818/203799415

    If you need an Ethernet head on the end of a line you will need an ethernet crimper and the heads and look up how the colors go into the head then crimp it. This takes some practice and patience.

    I would recommend you run the wire from the outdoor box to a central location where you can put a switch and run the Ethernet throughout the house, same thing with the coaxial run that to a central location with other wires run throughout.

    Amy thanked Vith
  • 10 years ago

    Thanks thull and Vith. Piece by piece I'm building an understanding and an inventory.

  • 10 years ago

    Do not mix LV and HV wiring in the same box or electrical noise will interfere with your TV and/or Data signal.

    You can use open back mudboxes. You can leave the wires behind the wall and open it later when you are ready to install a wall plate. Just be sure to secure them well (prevent sheetrockers from screwing into them) and measure and photograph where they are so you can cut a hole later and retrieve them.

    Wire:

    Use good quality wire. Don't cheap out.

    Not all Category 6 is category 6. Lots of false advertising. Cat 6 MUST be solid copper and not copper clad aluminum (CCA). This is what I'd buy.

    spool of cat6

    Do not run Low Voltage wiring in parallel or next to house wiring for interference reasons. If they must cross paths, do it at a 90 degree angle.

    I would pull 2 Cat6 cables to each location. Easy to do now.

    Often, the LV box is added AFTER sheetrocking using a box like this.

    Mud box

    Where your wires go through lumber, install a nail guard to prevent sheetrockers from screwing into your wire.


    --Russ

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  • 10 years ago

    Couple notes:

    I've used the T&B Snap N Seal coax connectors with a lot of success. The tool may be more expensive than the Klein one, but it's what all the installers that have worked on our DTV over the years have used. I bought one many years ago, and I think they've at least gotten cheaper.

    I wouldn't do anything that requires that you have to terminate Ethernet cable into male connectors. This is a pain to do, and pre-terminated patch cables are cheap. Terminating into female Keystone wall jacks is much easier- just maintain the twist of each pair as close to the termination as you can (there are many videos on doing this). I like the impact version of the punch-down tool- not sure if a different version will cut the wires. I bought one of the cheap ones from HD that had bad reviews and it's held up so far- maybe it would be bad if you used it all the time for dozens/hundreds of terminations.

    We have an old house (built in '49) and I've wired or rewired a big chunk of it. I've also put a lot into improving the insulation and air sealing. For that reason, I would hesitate to use open back wall boxes. I have had great success with retrofit or "old work" boxes- it's so much easier to just cut out an old box (hack saw or reciprocating saw to the nails), reach in to fish new wires, then slip a retrofit box into the hole. I tend to do some combination of a gasket under the wall plate, caulk, and/or expanding foam in the holes in the back of the box. It's great to get it right the first time, but I also wouldn't hesitate to cut a hole in the wall or replace a box to get what I needed later.

    Lastly, Russ is talking about 120V AC (lights, receptacles, etc) or 240V AC (dryer, oven, e.g.) when he says "HV." I'm used to working with industrial facilities where these are still considered low voltage, and there's 4160V or 12kV that's "medium voltage." High voltage is utility transmission wiring. Good suggestions otherwise.

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