We have well water -- no chlorine -- and I got the Vomit from the blue Persil Mitch sent. I don't get it from the Euro (white Persil).

OTOH -- US Persil evidently is made at the Purex plant. Might be something in that?

Roc...its assembled in the US with foreign ingredients.

I used a Clorox and Persil 2-in-1 liquid on my whites yesterday and didn't notice any stench. I did notice the overwhelming Persil fragrance was hardly noticeable when I was folding that load, though. I use spring-meadow (I think) Clorox - whatever is the pink label. Regular bleach smell is the pool and spa odor and can't stand that smell in my house.

My Euro perls are white with blue flecks. The perls Mitch sent me -- the vomit ones -- looked crushed and almost all pale blue. Don't look like the same product.

I have used chlorine bleach with both WM Persil Perls and 2-in-1, no objectionable odor.

This is the first time this hss happened to me..hell maybe I imagined it LOL

I've also used chlorine bleach with Persil Perls forgetting they cancell each other out lol.

Add the bleach toward end of the wash period to avoid the canceling effect. Majority of machines with dispensers nowadays do that automatically. Frontloaders typically dispense chlorine bleach into the first rinse.

Dadoes..that will avoid killing enzymes but there's oxygen bleach in Persil Perls and oxygen bleach and chlorine bleach cancel each other out.

So .... you're saying that after the oxy bleach has done its thing in the wash period, the chlorine bleach comes along, reverses the effect and whites come out dingy? :-)

Lol..no I'm saying if the chlorine bleach is added into a wash that has oxygen bleach in it they both kill each other off so no farther whitening will take effect nor will the chlorine disinfect..this is what I lesrned from our Launderess a long time ago.

@Dadoes a question for you (your personal view please).

I don't like the idea of bleach being added to the first rinse. To me a rinse is to dilute the wash water detergent.

This is why I force my Electrolux to dispense the LCB in the last 10 minutes of the wash cycle.

I ALWAYS opt. for an extra rinse simply because the Elux (as many other front loaders) don't do really deep rinses. If by default people use the standard two rinses and one of them adds bleach to the first rinse they how can the bleach really be rinsed out. I just can't believe it can, with so little water.

Also, the rinse cycles are very short...maybe 5 minutes each. How can that be enough time for the bleach to do it's job?

I love my Electrolux but don't like the fact that the bleach is added to the first rinse. (I also would like spins between ALL rinses and the Elux only does this on the Sanitary cycle).

What's your view on the bleach being added to the rinse cycle and why do you think manufacturers do this?

Not Dadoes but....it only takes 5 minutes for chlorine bleach to do its job ..any longer than say 5-6 minutes the good benefits are done and the chlorine is working on breaking down the fibers.

George I personally never understood bleach going into the rinse cycle no matter how many rinses are used..rinse is used to dilute and remove detergents, and we all know bleach can be the very dickins to completely remove, but remove every trace we must or fabrics will be damaged...bleach going into a rinse confounds me. I say your smart to add it at the end of the wash cycle George.

As MamaPinky says regards to exposure time, 10 mins isn't necessary. The old-style Kenmore and Whirlpool toploaders with timed bleach dispensers released at the last 4 mins of the wash period (maybe 2 mins on delicate).

Calypso dispenses after the wash period, usually without draining first so it's technically not a rinse, although the Heavy cycle drains for maybe 30 seconds (presumably to flush heavy soil) before bleach injection. Whitest Whites cycle recommends 1 cup of bleach (max the dispenser holds), which seems too much for the volume of water. I get slight residual chlorine odor using that much bleach, even with the extra rinsing on Whitest Whites.

Neptune TL, first rinse. The dispenser is smaller, 1/3 cup maximum. It rinses fairly well, there's a spray at start of each spin period (including the final spin) and the final rinse level is 2x higher. Extra Rinse option provides *after* the first bleach rinse -- spin-spray, tumble rinse, spin-spray, tumble rinse, spin-spray.

I ran a whites load in the refurbed Samsung using bleach. 1/3 cup maximum. Dispenses first rinse. No chlorine odor.

I don't have any insight as to why rinse-bleaching is the frontloader norm other than to avoid conflict with detergent enzymes.

Conflict with enzymes is most likely the reason however it creates a conflict with rinsing IMO...the industry should know this and change design on this. But what the h3!! Do I know lol.

I agree Mama "it creates a conflict with rinsing", with the exception of fabric softener, nothing should be added to rinse water. Especially in "he" machines.

It would be awesome if the Elux (or other washers) did a spray spin rinse first before the rinse cycles begin.

Well I for one make darn sure the chlorine is rinsed out, if you can smell it than its still there doing its damage...however its the absolute best thing for whitening and disinfecting. So we do what we must. Remember though if your whites are screaming white only thing needed for whitening is hot water a long wash and oxygen bleach. .with chlorine bleach used occasionally, but this Is IMO, as it works for me.

@Dadoes...I can maybe see that in "Professional/Commercial" machines only because they use way more water than any residential "HE" washer and may have the options to do way more rinses than just three.

George, I agree...I also think you should continue as you do putting the bleach in the kast 5-6 minutes of the wash cycle..that's perfect.

@Mama...will do.

By the way, how long does bleach stay "active"? (having disinfecting abilities and whitening affects) .

How long before it's just not doing anything? (or even not eating away at fibers).

For instance (not that I do this) but say you put LCB at the start of the Sanitary cycle which is one hour & 39 minutes (1:39 including three rinses to final spin) at minimum (if temp. is not reached the machine will add time until it satisfies the temp. threshold).

The Elux starts it's first drain at 26 remaining minutes then starts the first rinse (the last 25 minutes are drains, fills and spins).

Is there a point where the bleach is just not doing anything by that time or does bleach stay active for hours on end?

Sometimes I just can't resist - when I want something bleached in the wash cycle, I spot-treat with bleach by way of a bleach-based stain remover or a bleach pre-soak. I don't have that many bleach loads anymore, just my garden clothes which is a single load of mixed fabrics, all dirty, sweaty and probably full of various enzymes, lol. Blood, organic fertilizer, bone meal and whatever blow-back dust I'm working with. Then there's the clay mud and possible green stains. I've jokingly asked my husband to install a garbage disposal in our shower. I wear a face mask when I'm working with this stuff, anyway.

George I don't have an answer to that...I know chlorine will stay active for a long time even if there's bleach residue in clothes and they have been dried and put away it will still be chewing the fibers, but for how long I don't know ...easy 6 months than it starts degrading but I don't know the exact length of time...but your doing it all correctly like a laundry pro..5 minutes in solution than multiple rinses. This ensures you get what you want from the bleach without ruined textiles...

I use Persil and chlorine bleach with whites all the time. No issues.

What scent are you using?