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Help! Microwave won't fit in custom cabinet

10 years ago
We had our cabinet maker specifically design a cabinet to accommodate a 19" wide, 14" deep microwave similar to our old one (pictured). Unfortunately, though the microwave will clear the doors, he didn't account for the self-closing hinges, which protrude into the opening and reduce it by a full inch. With its current hinges, the widest microwave we can fit in the space is 18" or narrower. This means going from 900 watts/0.9 cubic ft to 700W/0.7cf.

1. Are there other hinges we could use that wouldn't intrude into the cabinet opening as much?

2. If we're stuck with having to get a smaller MW, how effective are they?

Comments (40)

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    Outside mount hinge might work, it looks like a framed cabinet. Get a decorative one. You Have to be careful with Another hinge the doors won't meet in the middle when they close. Also if you mess with the hinges too much you will strip the holes. You could also leave the one hinge one and attach the doors together to make it a bifold door. That is a long shot. The weight on the hinge is probably too much but it may work. Finally he may be able to put a lift on the door. I can't see the rest of the kitchen. It's unlikely if it's framed but maybe.

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    Talk to your cabinetmaker about the hinges. Consider ganging the 2 doors together so they open as one, hinged on the right. You might gain enough clearance.

    It sounds like the cabinetmaker may owe you another cabinet if this one does not meet the requirements you provided.

  • 10 years ago

    My new smaller microwave is just as efficient as my old over the stove one.

    Piano hinges would probably work.

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    I don't think you will be happy with something less than 1000watts. Can you use a piano hinge?

  • 10 years ago

    Looks like the height of the space is much taller than the microwave. Can you do either:

    1) Instead of the microwave sitting on the bottom of the cabinet, install a shelf for the microwave to sit on, a few inches above the bottom of the cabinet. This would allow it to clear the hinges. You might want to move the hinges as far down as they will go, but you might not need to do that. I have shown that option in black, with the hinges moved down.

    2) Leave the microwave sitting on the bottom of the cavinet, and move the hinges up so they are just above the microwave. I have shown that option in red.



  • 10 years ago
    Can't you just take the doors off temporarily to get the microwave into place then put them back on?
  • 10 years ago

    It's a poor concept overall. And dangerous. At a minimum, the doors should be pocket doors like on an armoire and there should be an automatic shut off for the electrical if the doors are closed. It is a fire hazard if done as you designed it.

  • 10 years ago

    Do you actually need a door on the microwave cabinet? We had our kitchen guys hang one of the kitchen cabinets with doors for the top half, leaving the bottom half open for the microwave. Practical, looked fine, and not the safety hazard Sophie is describing. And it kept the microwave off the countertop.

  • 10 years ago

    Great suggestions, everyone. There's hope that we can work around the problem! I need to look into piano hinges--brilliant! The cabinets get painted Tuesday (in 2 days), so we need to work fast.

    The one thing we can't do is turn this into one door. It's hard to tell, but to the right of the MW cabinet is the refrigerator. When the MW is running (and the cabinet doors are open), it's important that the right-hand door opens against the adjacent fridge cabinet without jutting out into the aisle as people walk by. That's the main pathway through the kitchen, and we're asking for head-on collisions if the door stick out 11 inches past the counter into the aisle.

    We're heading out for a while, but I hope to post a better picture later so you can better visualize it.

  • 10 years ago
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    Like Sophie / seems I read it's not fully safe for that kind of MW to be inside a cabinet. This page has their route for venting it:

    http://www.younghouselove.com/2011/12/goodbye-microwave-hello-microwave-cabinet/

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    What if you take the doors off, put the microwave in and put the doors back on... With microwave buttons on the right panel you have about 3-4"... Would that work?

  • 10 years ago
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    According to the NFPA, During 2007-2011, U.S. fire departments responded to an average of 7,100 home* structure fires per year in which a microwave oven was involved in ignition. These fires caused an annual average of less than 10 civilian deaths, 150 civilian injuries and $31 million in direct property damage. One in every six (17%) of microwave oven home structure fires cited appliance housing or casing as the item first ignited.

  • 10 years ago
    Here's a bigger view.
  • 10 years ago
    Sophie, that's sobering. We may need to rethink this.

    (Not sure if it makes a difference, but the outlet below the cabinet is the only other on that circuit and will automatically shut off if either outlet overheats.)
  • 10 years ago
    I would buy the smaller microwave and have your cabinet maker remake the doors so they only cover the top shelves.
  • 10 years ago

    So, why not have the top half of the cabinet with doors, and leave the bottom, with the microwave, open. I know it doesn't hide the microwave, but it will keep it out of the way.

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    It makes no sense to have a door on the MW cabinet and infact it is proably a MW that is not meant to be built in MWs need clearance all around them unless thy are specificaly made to be built in


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    Your microwave manual will tell you how much space you need around it for venting. I believe you will be able to find one that fits your needs. What is the difference whether you have doors that you close, when the microwave is in use, versus leaving the space in front open? My cousin (an architect) put her microwave in a cabinet too.

    As far as Sophie Wheeler's excerpt from the NFPA, all it really says is that in 17% of fires, the microwave housing is the first thing that ignites. I don't see that as relevant to your dilemma. (If we looked at how many fires are caused by stoves, we'd all be eating raw.)

    Just follow the manufacturer's directions and you will be fine. I still think my suggestion above is the simplest approach. Move the hinges to clear the microwave, and/or add a secondary shelf.

    A trim kit will reduce the space you need around the microwave, by directing the air flow differently. http://products.geappliances.com/appliance/gea-support-search-content?contentId=21841

    Alternatively, you can hang your microwave under the cabinet. It doesn't hide it from view, but gets it off the countertop. https://www.houzz.com/discussions/microwave-dilemma-dsvw-vd~3847319

  • PRO
    10 years ago
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    Not a good pic but appears you have 2 piece clip on hinges. If you buy a 1 piece hinge it would only be about 3/8" thick on the frame side which might give you the clearance you need. They are readily available at any supply house or Rockler.

    Look up Blum compact soft close hinge.

    As for hiding it in a cabinet? Not sure why that is being done but? Is it illegal? That is a god question as you have to open the doors to use it so that would eliminate any venting issues. I am sure though with the ability to close it you would then create the hazard.

    Leave it on the counter it isn't that big of a deal. By the way your outlets aren't sensing heat. People don't realize a lot of insurance Co's are denying claims based on illegal or not to code repairs.

  • 10 years ago

    I have never seen a microwave in a closed cabinet....I have seen them above the stove, under cabinets, on cabinets and built in like yours but with no door. I would be afraid it would be turned on (some one putting food in it) and the doors closed. Our above the stove MW has a vent in the top front as well as a vent out the back. Of course ours is used every meal and between...

  • 10 years ago
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    GE MWs are noted for spontaneously turning themselves on. And fires from doing that. I would think really long and hard about putting any cooking appliance behind cabinet doors. I personally would not do it and have refused to design kitchens that wanted that in them. It is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

    I also have to ask why your cabinets have been installed unfinished?? Cabinets should always be finished off site, in a clean room, with a catalyzed varnish, by a specialty cabinet finisher Never painted on site by a painter.

  • 10 years ago
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    Answers:

    1. Yes, it would work on the counter, and that still remains an option. We put it behind closed doors b/c we wanted to hide the microwave when it's not in use. After 40 years of having a MW on the counter, I'm ready for a change. But I want to be wise, cautious, and safe. If we can't make it work in the cabinet, I'm willing to choose Plan B!
    2. Partim, moving the shelves is a good tip. We could try that!
    3. We use the MW a couple times a day, mostly to melt butter or chocolate, defrost something, or reheat leftovers. It wouldn't be running for long periods of time.
    4. Cabinets are installed unfinished b/c that's the way our cabinet maker does things, and his (and his finishers') work is beautiful.
    5. We don't own a GE and aren't looking at GE replacements. Even so, it seems to me that if a microwave is going to spontaneously turn on, it will be a fire hazard whether or not there is a door on the cabinet.
    6. I'll look into that Blum compact hinge. Thanks for the suggestion!

    I'm not sure why some of you felt it was helpful to thread me onto a skewer and roast me over an open flame. What happened to community? There are nice ways to make recommendations or ask questions about why we made the choices we did, and I appreciate each of you who did so in a kind and respectful way. I'm open to re-thinking placement of the microwave, but geez. Cut me some slack.

  • 10 years ago

    We need Fred S and his codes , here. He would tell you what is legal or allowed.

  • 10 years ago

    There may not be municipal codes around this, but I would be comfortable complying with the manufacturer's specifications.

  • 10 years ago
    We had to retrofit our custom cabinet to work with our microwave also but we did what Robbi suggested by using trim and it looks fine. I think this is your best bet. It you need to hide the upper shelf you may need to get the cabinet maker to redo some short doors. Good Luck.
  • 10 years ago
    Kim, I've read through all the comments, and I don't think you're being skewered and roasted. It's just that no poster gives us, or can give us, all the info about the dilemma, and surrounding areas. Unfinished cabinets installed looks strange to most of us, and you cleared it up. Re the MW in a doored cabinet, I do get why you want doors, they ain't pretty! But safety first, before looks, so I would either take the doors off, or put the MW on the counter. Can you, at this time in the remodel, fit in a drawer type MW? They are made to be closed up. Pricy, but you'll get the look you want.
  • 10 years ago
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    teamaltese, thank you for a fresh perspective. My back went out yesterday and I'm traveling tomorrow to a trade show this weekend, where I will be a vendor. I don't know how I'm going to manage it, and I'm feeling peevish and miserable.

    At this point, we can't do anything new to the cabinets, so we may just leave the MW on the counter. It's not awful, and we do have ample counter space.

  • 10 years ago

    Hi Kim, lots of ibuprofen, ice, stretch and move if you can, and if you need one get yourself a cane at the drugstore to help get around. From someone who's been-there-done-that with throwing my back out several times over the last 10+ yrs. It sucks. Mine usually feels better within a week.

    Re the microwave, can you remove the door altogether and have open shelving for the micro and above?

  • 10 years ago

    Safety first!

  • 10 years ago

    This might be helpful for those of you who have never seen a concealed microwave. It's also where some of my ideas came from.

    https://www.houzz.com/photos/hidden-microwave-phbr0lbl-bl~l_1999

  • 10 years ago

    One thing about microwaves - they're extremely good for heating up heat-packs for bad backs. Ibuprofen and a heat pack at night will do your back a lot of good. Been there, done that.

  • PRO
    10 years ago
    @kim,
    Unfortunately one of the biggest problems with Houzz is that bad ideas get legitimized. There are photos of all kinds of dangerous and ill conceived projects all over Houzz. And advice comes from the knowledgable as well as the crazy, with far more input coming from the latter. A sensible policy in kitchens for most non professionals, and most professionals as well, is to keep it simple. Very few people are capable of inventing better safe alternatives to what's already available in cabinetry. If you are not a Da Vinci avoid inventing in a kitchen. It is very easy to burn more than your beard.
  • 10 years ago

    Houzz frequently showcases idiotic health and safety hazards. Probably because they do not have a trained designer on their staff. They are all about website hits and selling adds. Not actually giving good usable and safe advice. Using anything on the site as a direct inspiration for DIY design is about as smart as using pictures of Neolithic caves as inspiration for your new rustic living room. You always need a local design expert involved. Kitchens have the most health and safety codes per square inch of any room in the house.


    This fails the how it works criteria.

  • 10 years ago

    That would explain why they're running yet another divisive thread on removing shoes. The last one was only last month. Attracts a lot of comments.

  • 10 years ago
    And, while the pictures are all oh so pretty, there's no information on how to build it. The hidden microwave could have other venting. I agree, it's still not the best idea. If you just take the door off, the device can sit inside, out of the way, and still have plenty of air flow.

    houzz is a commercial site. They are in the business of making money. The more they make us covet the oh so pretty rooms, the more we spend.
  • 10 years ago

    Mainline Kitchen, Sophie Wheeler, and teamaltese: Yes! Thank you. Excellent insight into the "oh, so pretty" that may or may not be "oh, so functional." I appreciate your continued input!

  • 10 years ago

    This is what I did...left doors off and stenciled back wall of cabinet

  • PRO
    10 years ago
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    Have your cabinet maker make new smaller doors that only enclose the upper shelves, leaving the microwave exposed. You should check with your local electrical authority, as far as I am aware, here, you can not have a plug in a closed cabinet. This solution would take care of both issues. good luck.