Thanks. I'm actually excited about the set - it includes the dryer! It seems above board, but I do want to meet the set. The seller is moving and just put everything in storage, so I won't be able to test them, which is a negative. The hardest thing will be where to put the set exactly, since I can't put it on the second floor, I don't think. My basement has 220 access, hot water, and drain line right in the back, and of course I want it in the front, lol. I'm calling our contractor this morning to figure this part out.

Another thing to note: you can, but are not required, to hook this machine up to hot water. It's perfectly capable of starting with cold and heating to the target temperature. The machine is 240v but requires an outlet that includes a neutral (some components run on 120v so the neutral is used to achieve the lower voltage for those elements). While the washer cannot be plugged into the dryer like Asko, Miele did/does sell a splitter outlet that allows you to power both machines off one circuit (I believe it has to be a 30 amp).

That makes sense. It does come with the splitter. We have a 220 in the back of the basement as the previous owner had a hot tub hooked outside, which we got rid of, as well as ample space ampage wise. Not needing hot water actually would make it easier if I want it in the front, finished part of the basement. This house is a renovated barn, and in the unfinished part of the basement the old feeding troughs and drains are still there. Not a problem when we use it for storage but a bit tough to climb over to do the laundry. Maybe I'll have to build a bridge, lol.

Yay! I am giddy for you and hope it is in good shape when you see it. When will you be able to view?

This weekend. I called our contractor and I'm just waiting to hear back on how feasible it is to put the laundry where I want to. We really need a sink down there anyway. Thank you all and I'll update as soon as I know.

The machines are the 1213 washer, and 1403 dryer. No shipping struts were used when it got put in temporary storage. Is that a problem?

Could be.

Nice machines. Those have a large capacity, almost that of the Little Giants. Shipping struts are essential for long moves but there are plenty of people who have moved machines locally without. If Dadoes pops in, maybe he can tell you a way to check the drum for too much movement. I think I've read something about pushing one side while pulling the other to see if it's loose.

I bought my Asko set used on Craigslist for $200. The owner said they were too small. I bought. 2nd set for my brother in law. Both have no issues. I wouldn't let the used part scare you. If parts are still available it's a score!

Looks like this bargain machine will be the catalyst for investing a lot more on renovations. If you're going to run a new cable for the washer outlet, don't just meet this washer's requirement for 15 amps. Rather, have the electrician run a cable suitable for 30 amps 4 wire. Then you'll be set for a 30 amp washer in the future, just by changing out the outlet and circuit breaker (this being a 15 amp machine, you get the best protection by installing a 15 amp breaker, even if the wiring can handle 30 amps).

More unsolicited advice: It sounds like you're doing this in a basement so drywall probably won't be a problem. I'm really happy that when I wired for my new machines, I brought in one 50 amp circuit from the main load center and then did a small sub panel for the washer and dryer circuits (30a and 20a, respectively). This didn't add much to the overall cost and allows me to have circuit breakers at an arm's reach from the washer/dryer in the event I need to kill the power fast. It also reduces the number of slots taken up in your main box to just one. If I ever convert to a different style washer/dryer, or need a 120v circuit again, I have all the wiring right there.

Thank you all. Our contractor came out and putting it downstairs is very complicated. Like jackhammer foundation complicated. He can put in a pump to pump water to the drain, but needs to put it down, so hence the jackhammer. It's what my husband thought but we were hoping there was another solution. Dh offered to build a platform for the washer on the second floor and install some anti vibration mats or something, but I don't know if that will work. The contractor didn't think the machine would vibrate that much, but he did say a top loader in this situation would probably be better, unless I got something like the Electrolux. And then I would have to redo the cabinets in the laundry room, though that is more doable than jackhammer, lol. So I'm probably going to have to pass on these. Sigh.

Where do you have your current washing machine located? Why can't it go in the same place? Or were you trying to have two sets?

The current top loader set is on the second floor. It's an old house and I'm a little worried about putting the Miele set up there and thought it would be better in the basement. My top loader doesn't vibrate, but it doesn't spin like the Miele. My husband thought 3/4 inch plywood underneath with a stable mat to absorb would work, but I don't know. Of course, he's the engineer, I'm the worrier:)

I'll let the Miele owners speak as to the possible vibration, but I don't think you should move the machine from the second floor where your bedrooms are probably located all the way downstairs. Carrying big loads of laundry up and down the stairs is not a safe thing to do.

3/4" plywood that spans between two floor joists should be sufficient structure, but I would forego the mat. As I've mentioned, our condo is located on an elevated first floor so I don't have the LiGi's mounted on concrete like Larsi and SuburbanMD* do. Nevertheless, in two weeks I haven't had any spin issues or vibration transfer. The key is leveling it right to begin with, and this is where an engineer DH would come in handy. If you get front loaders would you stack or go side by side? It looks like they're stacked now. If you take them apart, hopefully the seller still has the original lid to the washer (it's removed and replaced by the stacking kit).

Practigal That's what the contractor said. Our second floor is actually where the kitchen, etc is. The third floor is our master bedroom so I'm already carrying down one floor. I like our house, but after living in a "unique" house (it was an old barn) for 15 years I keep running into the unique problems as well.

I didn't realize about the washer top. I hadn't planned to stack them.

Personally, if I was going to spend money it would be to move it up the stairs rather than down into the basement.

The stacking kit may be left on as the lid to the washer, if the original lid cannot be found. There's nothing wrong with that it -- just a bit less attractive.

It's nice to have a second washer hooked up in the house. Less chance of being washerless, and the possibility of doing two washes at once.

Suburban I will have to show husband.that picture. I have to admit I'm still thinking about.the second.floor again. The person who owns this set is gonna think I'm crazy. I'm usually pretty decisive. Bottom line is that I want the set but I'm a little afraid it will be too much for the floor. And I don't get to test before I buy

Be sure to ask the seller if the washer had the shipping struts reinserted before the machine was relocated. If the struts were not inserted, or if they are missing, I would be reluctant to buy this machine. The suspension system on Miele washers can be easily damaged if the machine is moved without the struts in place, especially if it was transported up or down stairs (something you need to be aware of too, since it sounds like you're planning to install the pair in a basement or on a second floor). The washer is very heavy, weighing in at about 230 pounds.

Thank you. The struts were not put in. I wouldn't move them home without them. I was concerned about the struts not being put in before they were moved, too. He didn't move it on stairs, but it is a concern since I can't try the machine first.

Are these Miele's posted somewhere for sale? Its been two days since you've told us about them..are they still available? If they are for that price I'd be finding out why. There are guys on another forum that most likely would have grabbed these if there wasn't a problem and as they are located all over the county they would have seen them listed..they can find a needlein a haystack if its a washer lol....seriously why are they still available?

He took them off Craigslist. May repost later. It doesn't surprise me that they didn't sell. A year or so I saw a 1926 miele at the restore for $100 , and it seems used units take numerous postings to sell. I'm not completely sure why, but my guess is that a lot of people who want them buy new. And many don't know what a Miele is and don't want a compact washer. For that matter I don't know how many of the used appliances sell no matter what brand, I see the same machines over and over. A lot of people around here want new, not used, I guess. But all those are just guesses.

Miele's,used go fast..very fast..but there's been some scams concerning Miele and craigs list and ebay..why did they pull them from the po st?

I'm sure there have been scams. The time I saw the new Mieles on sale I wondered if that was a scam, which was why I didn't email right away. By the time I did they were gone. The above set had been reduced in price by the owner at least once. I know I had some hesitation as I can't test the machines and shipping struts weren't used. $500 isn't lots of money but it still is a good chunk of change to put down on something that might end up not working when you get it home. The seller was thinking he might move them. When I have things to sell I usually give things away on our local facebook page or give to the Salvation Army or Restore. It's easier than dealing with people not showing up, etc.

I bought a miele washingmachine that were more than 20 years old and when I sold my house 5 years later it was still working very good. I also bought a 15 year old miele washingmachine, that one I had to change the inlet valve, cost about 100 dollor, easy fix.

I would not be that afraid to buy them at all. Miele are good and from the pics they seem in good kondition. I am not afraid of the struts not in. My machine were driven 40km and then taken down 15 basement steps, one at a time.

The miele drum is very secure and ridgid and move very little even with thestruts out and with uneven washloads.

Go look at them, spin the drum to listen for bearing noise. These machine are easy to service and take apart.

If they look clean, feel fine, and smell good they propobly are just fine.

Put the set against a load bearing wall. The set should be perfectly balanced using a 4' level. I have my set on my first floor over an unfinished basement. The joist are old growth wood (tight grain), 8x2" and 16" on center. There is no bounce. There is only a very soft buzz coming through the floor to my feet, which can only be felt in the bare feet. Bouncing might occur if you put the set in the center of the span of joists. Miele recommends the position on load bearing wall.

Thank you all. Dh thought the Miele was too small. He prefers a stainless top loader, I prefer a. front loader or maybe the SQ, though not so sure anymore. We're having a discussion:)

A Miele too small??? Do you sort your clothes Sash?

Yup, and even showed him some of the posted videos. Luckily, we have time right now as our machine is still going. Last time I just picked what I wanted, and I knew what I wanted before I walked into the store.

• Suburban md, are you able to use your utility sink for other than the washer discharge or is it too high? We would like to put a sink downstairs for paint brushes, etc. Without having to submerge the pump, and jackhammering.

My utility sink is very deep and not the most convenient for general use. But it's a massive 60 year old concrete specimen, and I'm sure you can find something more to your liking on the market now.

If you were putting a bathroom down there you'd need the pump below the floor, and maybe that's what your contractor is thinking of. You don't really need a contractor to put in a standalone sink and plumbing, just a good plumber.

Thank you. The set is up again and the owner, who I'm sure thinks I'm a total flake, and I can't seem to coordinate times to see the machine. Mostly because we can only see and pick up on the weekend, as it is a ways from my house. I think one of the reasons they haven't sold right away is that the brand isn't in the subject line. You have to be searching for Miele. And, it turns out my husband really prefers a new machine, whether it may a Miele or Speed Queen, or whatever I want.

Looks like the identical set I had as well on the second floor of my 1894 house. I bought the set used, in 2004 & we talked to the owners of our old house recently & they are still working strong, they love them.

For $500, I'd certainly take a chance on them...

I wish I were in the DC Metro area so I could buy them. I have a feeling the guy here in Chicagoland who restores Miele machines buys up all the reasonably priced ones when they are first listed. I never see them that low :(

Sashanikki - I notice you've removed the link from your comment. Have you changed your mind (again)? :)

Me, change my mind? Lol. My husband did. He did a spreadsheet of pros and cons of each and talked to a Miele representative. The owner also sent an email about the machines with a little more info. We decided it's worth a shot as long as they look as good as in the photo. Incidentally there is a free Miele machine on the West Virginia Craigslist. It is a German machine, with German writing, that runs on 230 electricity. Wouldn't that just need a converter? Might be good for someone who can speak German. He had it up for sale for awhile for $120, but finally offered it for free.

I assume you mean this set. Very cool! The 230v isn't the issue. My Little Giant dryer is 230v and works fine @ 240v because it's within the 10% +/- range. The issue with this machine, that I can see, is it runs @ 50 Hz as opposed to the standard 60 in the US. So a converter probably would be necessary, as indicated. For a free machine, it sounds like a deal.

Glad husband came around on the Mieles. Hopefully you'll get a chance to see them this weekend.

That is a 5 kg machine. Little Giant is 6 kg. I can't find the load weight rating for the W3038 and W3048, and didn't notice it for the one that sashanikki was considering. Drum size is perhaps more meaningful, but that's also hard to find. Anyway, there are small Mieles, and there are really small Mieles.

Suburban - forgive me if you've commented on this before and I just have missed it, but I'm curious about your experience with load ratings between the Little Giant and your 4000 series, which, by volume, is much larger. The reason I ask is that both Larsi and I have noticed that the LiGi can really be packed full and still have excellent results, whereas our other "XL capacity" machines could only be loaded partially to obtain similar performance. Since you still have both in operation, you're maybe more qualified to respond.

Very occasionally I've packed the W4840 full by the "fist's worth of room on top" rule and haven't noticed any problems. Certainly there was no undissolved detergent and everything was wet. I almost always use Extended so the wash tumble is around an hour. Larsi can share his experience since he also had a W484x washer.

My W4840 and W4842 could swallow quite a load (as Alex would say, LOL)...but the smaller Little Giant handles just as much. Of course, the Little Giant feels stronger and more robust...but the W48xx Series was very good.

Larsi...LOL GULP!

"As Alex would say [in the private Facebook group where he knows his audience.]". LOL. Larsi, *slap* :)

Just a quick update. I didn't get them. We wanted to see them this weekend but the owner was out of town. He emailed this morning and if I wanted them I would have to see.them tonight as now he had a lot of interest in them. Unfortunately we can't tonight, and honestly I want to see them in the daytime anyway. So I let them go. What we found in the process is buying without a warranty gets us a bit nervous, and a compact washer may do us fine. We also found out we have a.Miele dealer and factory authorized repair service right out our way. At this point we're going to redo our laundry room cabinets and countertops (yay!) and keep our working Maytags. Thank you all!