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Options for switch outlet placement

10 years ago

Hi All,

I am down to my final room and trying to wrap it up faster than my wife can decide it's a good idea to divorce me. The attached pic sets the scene. The room is a 2nd floor bedroom and has easy attic space above, so I'm (mostly) good on wiring access. Currently the only light in the room is a center fixture located in the center of the ceiling. Wiring is mostly BX circa 1950

here's what I am trying to do:

- I want to convert the center box to a dimmer/fan 14/3 circuit
- I want to install a light in the closet to the left
- I want to throw in some recessed light cans as it's a big room served by one light, also on a dimmer

My problems all boil down to switch locations. I cannot do a double gang box where the existing light switch is because the bay is only one gang wide. I would like to lay off the area in between the doors as that space will have a 5' tall armoire there eventually. I could probably put the switch around the corner but there's some strapping right above that makes it a PITA... plus it looks stupid. The adjacent wall is made of block so that's out too. So basically these questions:

- Can I stack a 2nd fan/light switch directly above the existing one? I realize that will also look stupid, but I can't think of another way save for abandoning the dimmer and putting in a 1-gang double or triple.

- Can I put the switch for the closet light INSIDE the closet? I have read various pros/cons but aside from personal taste, does it violate any particilar codes? (I have read that there is nothing in the NEC to prohibit it, but maybe in whatever building code my town adopted does)

I'm open to any other good ideas. Thanks as always for the great help found in this forum!

Comments (12)

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    What kind of door goes on the closet? They make door switches and motion sensors. Which way does the closet door swing? Could you put the closet switch to the left of the closet?

    The light on the fan would presumably be in the middle of the room, and be more for general lighting, which should be switched by the door. The recessed lights will either be in specific spots where you need the light, in which case you would really want the switch in that location. Or you are going to put recessed in the four corners of the room for lighting with a little more ambiance. This type of lighting is more generally used last thing at night, or when you need to get up in the middle of the night, so the best place for switches might be on each side of the bed.

  • 10 years ago

    Thanks Fred. The closet doors will be 2 20" french doors. I could do a motion sensor or a jamb switch as well, just feel better w/ the flip switch overall. I'm not ruling them out though. There are no bays to the left as it makes a corner right at the header king stud.

    The idea w/ the cans was to just distribute the across the ceiling, and be the main lighting... I actually have another thread open asking about placement ideas that nobody has answered if you want to take a shot at it :P. Anyway the ONLY real other option (besides putting it above the existing switch) would be to put it around that corner, making me wonder if I just ought to just scrap the center light entirely and just make it a lightless fan.

    I have searched for close to an hour but can not find a single picture of two one-gang switches stacked vertically lol.

  • 10 years ago

    You could put the recessed on the switch by the door, and just run power to the fan. Fans generally come with either pull chains or a remote control. When you use a fan, you generally don't turn it on and off every time you leave the room, like you might with a light, so having that switch by the door is not that important. You certainly would not usually turn on the fan just to get something out of the closet and then leave the room.

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  • 10 years ago

    Yeah agreed. Originally I was going to bite the bullet and put it on the small wall, but figured there had to be a better way. I'll keep thinking about it :)

  • 10 years ago

    I'll second Fred's suggestion to have the recessed lights controlled by the switch by the door and the fan/light controlled by a remote that you keep in a drawer by your bed.

  • 10 years ago

    "If you are willing to have simple on/off switches and change the fan speed with the pull chain, is there a reason this type of switch would not work to switch both fan and light from a single gang box?"

    You will most likely run into code problems with your box fill calculations with too many wires.

  • 10 years ago

    Ditto what Bcarlson said!

  • 10 years ago

    I will refer you to 314.16 of the NEC, specifically, part (B). That says you can not put that many wires in that small of a box. It may be possible, but it takes some planning to keep from ending up with too many wires.

    http://freenec.com/T145.html 


  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Can you fit in a deeper single box? Regarding the fan/light, although I prefer wall controls for the fan/light, many of the new higher end fans come with remotes and can't be controlled by a wall switch (except to turn them off). I discovered this when I tried to install such a fan in a room with two switched circuits to the center of the ceiling, and I had to abandon one of them. What about leaving power to the fan and light always on and controlling them both with the remote? Although I have some fans turned on and off from the wall switch and direction and speed controlled with pull chains, I think that looks bad.

  • 10 years ago

    Reference the comment about box fill - If you run power to the ceiling box for the fan, and only have the power switched at the wall box, you only need one 14/3 cable running to the wall switch to switch two devices. My calculation for 14 gauge wire is that you would need space for 3 conductors (6 cu inch), 1 ground (2 cu inch), one clamp (2 cu in) and two switches (4 cu) = 14 cu in box. 20 cu in old work boxes are easy to find.

    Bruce

  • 10 years ago

    This plugs into an outlet and may be the solution for you.

    https://www.amazon.com/Mylight-me-Bedlight-Activated-Illumination-Automatic/dp/B00FROZNTW