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Need help converting garage to studio apt!

8 years ago

I'm looking to convert my 2 car detached garage to a studio apartment with full bathroom and small kitchen. Attached is a rendering of generally what I want to do. Also, below is what I think is a chronological list of the main parts of the project. I'll be doing the GC myself and quite a bit of the work but will leave the plumbing, electrical and finer skills to a qualified sub. Note that while I want it done "properly", it can't be permitted legally so I'm not pulling permits or having any inspections. Just wanting to know if there is anything major I'm missing or if something in the list should be re-ordered for any reason? Thanks for reading and looking forward to some responses!!

1. Install
concrete patio and build shed behind garage.

  1. Demo
    unnecessary wood and shelving from garage.

  2. Trench and
    install water lines and sewer lines in ground for new bath fixtures and kitchen
    sink and tie into existing main sewer line. Install shower valves and ensure
    water lines/sewer lines are placed correctly.

  3. Patch and
    prepare flooring, fill cracks with epoxy and level with concrete and sealer.

  4. Demo out
    existing window and door and reframe new window in bathroom, French door in
    back and entry door on side.

  5. Frame the
    new bathroom walls and closet walls.

  6. Permanently
    attach garage door and remove track and motor system. Frame over the garage
    door.

  7. Run new low
    gauge electrical wire coming into the garage unit and then rewire walls and ceilings
    with new outlets and switches, electrical for bathroom light fixture, bathroom
    fan, kitchen hood and prepare low voltage wire for recessed LED lighting in
    ceiling. Bring coaxial cable and Ethernet wire to corner near main house.

  8. Install
    insulation throughout (including over garage door) and then install drywall on
    all walls and ceilings, cutting in for all future electrical outlets, fixtures,
    switches, plumbing fixtures and recessed lighting in celing. Cut in for
    Ethernet and cable wall plates in corner near main house. Leave attic access
    panel in ceiling in the closet space.

  9. Tape and
    finish drywall.

  10. Install bathroom
    window, French door, entry door, bathroom door and closet doors.

  11. Paint
    throughout.

  12. Install
    bathtub, cement board and tile surround cutting in around shower fixtures.

  13. Lay floor
    tile and baseboard throughout.

  14. Install
    bathroom fan, toilet, vanity, mirror and light fixture.

  15. Install all
    kitchen cabinets, sink, appliances and counter.

Comments (8)

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    You can be creative with the building department regarding some permits.

    As long as they don't know your real intent..

    It's not uncommon to have water and electricity, or even a bathroom in a "detached workshop".

    What is your plan for heat? What is the climate? You don't want plumbing on outside walls.

    Will you have a dedicated circuit panel for the "detached workshop"?

    Get electrical, and plumbing all roughed in. Get an inspection. Good with the City, and then finish your detached workshop into the apartment.

    What you want to avoid is going through all this work, the city getting tipped off and having zero permits for anything. Then there's a good chance they'll make you tear the walls open to inspect after the fact.

    Also, an oven is what makes a space into an apartment. Building and planning departments get REALLY hung up on an oven in more than one room. So you would not want any indication given by the electrical that an oven is going in. That wouldn't be wired in until after inspection.

    I understand your position though, the less the city knows the better. I understand it quite well.

  • 8 years ago

    @James: " anything big I'm missing or not considering?"

    Yeah, it's illegal. Excavating for the water and sewer will have to be inspected, also the plumbing venting, and the electrical. You will have no certificate of occupancy. You won't be able to sell without that cert.

    Is you property zoned for a rental?

  • 8 years ago

    No, we're zoned R1. In fact in my original post I stated the conversion could not be done legally. I understand your point but was only asking for construction input not legality. Not that I need to justify it but... the same has been done throughout our neighborhood and most of Southern CA. In fact in many MLS listings of homes for sale here you will see "garage converted to unpermitted ADU". It's known and common, building dept has bigger fish to fry. I get that we can't include it in official square footage or bed/bath count but we will certainly be able to enjoy it and have inlaws stay with us more comfortably. It's a small risk we're willing to take.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Spending 75-100K on an illegal conversion that can cause fines and jail time, plus has to be torn down in the best of circumstances just seems to be a real waste of your money and time.

    Do you think that a licensed plumber or electrician would risk the loss of their license working illegally? Not in this lifetime. You'll be left with unlicensed, uninsured hacks for some of the most life threatening work that you can have done in your home.

    If you Air BnB rental burns down, do you think your homeowners insurance will cover you? Not bloody likely. Especially if there is loss of life. You will be personslly responsible for any judgements from any lawsuits.

    Is creating an Illegal rental worth the risk of losing everything you own? Or will ever own?

  • 8 years ago

    I don't quite understand why you'd convert a garage instead of just adding an addition???

  • 8 years ago

    Ichabod, I think I can get the conversion done for ~$20k doing the grunt work myself and contracting out the skills. I already have water/sewer lines and the electric I need in the garage. I think in Los Angeles I'm looking at probably $150/sf for an addition making it quite a bit more expensive than converting my 350sf garage. Also, being a few miles from the coast we never use our garage for anything other than holding surfboards and bicycles... weather here is consistently amazing!

  • 8 years ago

    No one's going to jail... People do this all the time. The problem is the zoning stuck in a different era. One family, one house, one piece of property. Times are changing.

    Dang, you already got water and sewer out in the garage? Sweet.

    I do recommend, if you don't already, get a separate sub panel for the garage. And have all the electrical permitted.