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Unanticipated code requirements for design-build?

Hi all

We are looking for some guidance and expert opinion on the design-build company's design responsibility to the owner, in particular, being aware of the building codes (apart from many other issues we're experiencing). We hired a design-build company for a major house remodel that we purchased. The construction loan was based on the appraised value of their design drawings and proposed budget. We signed two contracts with them - first was for the design services and second for the construction. The design phase contract included the provision where we would receive a cost estimation +/- 10% of our budget defined in the contract. The cost that we received for their design that we worked for over 2 months on came up to double the budget (they ran down the cost apparently a week before our scheduled closing). Since they couldn't decrease the square footage, as it was tied to the appraisal that has already been done, they had to scramble a lot of design ideas and finishes we were working on within a matter of days which still brought down the construction cost +25% over the budget and left us with unclear design and selections.

We had to postpone the closing date twice and come up with extra $120K cash in a matter of a week on top of our $200K cash down payment. We tried negotiating the construction contract with them, but they refused to edit it and we had to proceed with the contract since we were out of time at that point, as we were to loose the house (as the seller was going to put it back on the market).

A week after they submitted all the permits and we're already discovering some serious code nonconformity. The first one was the existing load bearing wall that was no longer up to code for our second level story addition. They claimed it to be an unforeseen condition which they will treat as change order at an extra cost to us which they stated in their email they didn't have time to get for us, since they needed to move on with the project. I contacted the county and the last time the load bearing wall code been updated was 3 years ago. It's been almost two weeks and we're still to see the actual change order request with the cost.

The second news was the existing deck that wasn't up to code either (it is build on top of a sun room addition, most likely also not to code as we pointed out to them when we learned the news, which they are still to find out). They proposed us three options over the phone without any cost estimation and forgetting the fact that the deck is on top of that sunroom addition which potentially could also be not up to code. We are still to hear from them about options.

The third one is the kitchenette downstairs that is not also up to code and will require demolition. They indicated that they'll have to remove the hood, but later they said that they scraped the whole kitchenette from the plans they submitted.

We are still to receive any change orders from them with any cost breakdowns and are sitting on the tip of the chair hoping that no more coding issues will come up - this is all before the demolition even began. They are avoiding to respond to our questions as to how these codes weren't considered before and restating the fact that we pretty much pay for all these (not letting us know how much either).

Does this sound like we need to get out of the contract now and that we have a case for terminating this for "cause?" We feel that negligence and misrepresentation was present and they might be in a breach of two contracts: faulty design and cost estimate for the design phase and now claiming "unforeseen conditions" which is clearly defined in the contract as "discovered during the demolition." Having some expert opinion about coding knowledge responsibility of a design-build company would probably make the case. Thank you all for your input!

Comments (4)

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Unless the drywall was completely removed so as to inspect the existing beam, there is no way to know what it's material or sizing might be, and what it might support. No X ray vision. Of course hidden conditions falls under a change order.

    Existing conditions that were within code when built are not required to be brought up to code ''just because''. They are grandfathered. The only things that are required to be brought up to current codes by them are the portions directly affected by your expansion plans. Now, your municipality may require that you tear down an unpermitted structure. Or they may require that it be brought up to code. But unless that was specifically mentioned in the scope of work for the addition, that is not their responsibility. You're not hiring them for a tear down. Although that sounds like it would be more cost effective. As it very often is, when compared to a addition and remodel.

    Methinks you've been watching too much Holmes on Homes. Real life ain't TV. And neither are the budgets.

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  • PRO
    9 years ago

    I typically land on the side of the practitioner in these types of discussions (being one myself and knowing that a steady hand can often traverse rough waters when clients panic). In your case however (and only hearing one side of the story), I feel compelled to wonder if your spidey-senses are telling you there are too many red flags. Nothing here seems absolutely out of line, but altogether it may be forecasting a case of "that which starts poorly, ends poorly".

    Agree with Sophie that none of your existing conditions should have to be removed. A load bearing wall is different obviously if you are increasing the load it will carry. In my work (just design not design-build) I would have flagged that as something to look into when the demo occurred (which would infer a contingency be put in place).

    No desire to throw a practitioner under the bus, especially without knowing more of the story. On the other hand, it may be a very good point to find some professional opinion/counsel. I wouldn't use Houzz for that, I would find someone very respected in your immediate area.

    All the best.

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  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    A home with that many issues should never be your first house. Old houses have all kinds of issues. That you leave alone. If it works it stays. You never start out with the goal of bringing it all to current building codes unless it is an immediate life safety issue. Idiot TV is not real life.

    It is never anyone's responsibility to identify all of the things that do not meet modern codes, unless that impacts your new addition. For example, a 60 amp electrical panel that has cloth wiring. A new addition would require more juice. The cloth covered wiring in the existing home could be replaced at great expense if you got a bug up your butt, but it in no way affects your new addition. The new panel would be part of the scope for the addition. rewiring the old house would not. That goes on the'' someday'' list. Maybe. But probably not. If it ain't broke, you don't take it on. It would be 5x the house purchase to fix everything that isn't current.

    If you want a home that everything in it would be 100% up to current building code, you would need to buy a new house. Or, tear that one down and rebuild a new house.

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  • PRO
    9 years ago

    I wouldn't use Houzz for that, I would find someone very respected in your immediate area.

    well said