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Bugs in dying Rosemary soil please help!

9 years ago

I've been having problems with my rosemary since I bought them. Mainly one, but it seemed to have spread to the other one. I bought them at the same time and they are both organic. One seemed to have mold in the soil so I bought a fungus and insect organic killer and the mold went away. I repotted it in a better draining plain plastic pot. Then the leaves looked like they were molding. The leaves looked spotted yellow, eventually curling, drying and dying. One plant is yellow with just a little color left the other looks as if it's dead or close to it. I moved the plants to see if maybe they needed more sun. I was told more sun, less watering could help. When I moved them I noticed extremely small but fast bugs running around. So I tapped the pots on the ground to knock out what bugs I could and squish them. They are clearish looking, maybe tan or red. They are too small and quick for me to see them in detail. There were various sizes but all very tiny. Does anyone know what they are? Are they root aphids? How can I get rid of them? I would prefer an organic way, but I really want the plants to live. I can return the plants if need be. But I also have succulents, a bonsai, garlic, onion, mint growing in other pots on my porch so I would love to have a solution. The mints keep dying too. Slowly regrowing but never getting big enough to grow into a branch.

Comments (16)

  • 9 years ago

    I would need an image.

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    I found some in my mint plant that are yellow. They have antennae but I can't get a picture of them because they move so fast and are so small. I found one that looked grayish/brownish and was a lot bigger and different than the rest but it ran into the the soil before I could do anything. I think they are in all of my herb plants which are the ones that are dying. I haven't seen them in my succulents.

  • 9 years ago

    Initially I had organic cactus soil given to me. But I moved them into an ecoscraps organic potting mix. And into bigger containers. And outside. They were inside for a little bit. Then I did get gnats in the top soil of one. I got rid of them and put rocks along with egg shells that was suggested to me. I also changed the soil to a dryer one because that one was retaining it for a long time. I went with miracle grow cactus palm and citrus potting mix. I water them every ten days or until the soil feels dry to the middle. I removed the plants from the soil so they are in bags by themselves now. I'll take a picture as soon as I can. There are a ton of mosquitos out right now. The soil is dry on the plants but the bottom fourth of soil in the containers was still wet when I took them out.

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  • 9 years ago

     those are the rosemary.


  • 9 years ago

    mint

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     chocolate mint I took out the little stems that were still alive to grow them separately.

  • 9 years ago

    As I suspected, the soil is far too fine particled and moisture retentive for the rosemary. The wet soil at the base - the perched water table - is very characteristic of this sort of soil and is something you really want to avoid, if at all possible.

    IMO - as well as that of most other container gardeners - no Miracle Gro soil offers very good growing conditions, even their cactus mix. You want something that has a minimal amount of peat or coir but is heavy on the bark fines, perlite and grit. I would look at the 5-1-1 or gritty mix soil recipes advocated on the Container Gardening (and Cacti and Succulents) forum and go with something like that.

    So this is not an insect problem - except very incidentally - but IS a soil and watering problem. Correct the soil and address the watering to suit the soil condition and you should be fine. btw, no point in saving the current rosemary - it is toast!


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  • 9 years ago

    Do you think I should buy from a different herb brand? The soil left on the rosemary (and even in the second mint picture) is the soil that came with the herbs. Do you think I could buy some bark fines, perlite and grit and mix it with the Miracle Gro soil I already have? I will definitely check those out, thank you so much I was really confused on what was going on with my plants. I want to continue growing herbs, and I have an older rosemary that I can try the mix on. It's still alive but has never grown many leafs.

  • 9 years ago

    The plants themselves are probably fine - you don't need to look for a different "brand" - it is the soil that is the problem. Yes, you can work on the MG soil to make it better. I'd add just the perlite and grit or Turface at 1 to 1 ratio (1 part MG soil; 1 part perlite/grit). You can skip the bark fines as they are not that easy to find everywhere (small orchid bark can work if you can find that). And I would repot the existing rosemary in the improved mix after shaking or washing off as much of the current soil as possible.

  • 9 years ago

    I have several plants (herbs including rosemary and 2 bay leaves) in MG Cactus Mix as well. I didn't know any better when I potted them but have done a lot of research since. If I decide to repot with amended soil, would 1:1:1 current soil:perlite:repti-bark be okay?

  • 9 years ago

    "The plants themselves are probably fine" -- !!!??? Did gardengal48 look at the pictures? Man, those plants are goners. Start over. Overwatering started them on their road to their demise; fungus gnats arrived to hasten things along.

    And stop buying Miracle-Gro anything. For years, I have had good luck with ProMix Organic mix with mycorrhizae for seed starting. It's basically peat with some perlite and probably a wetting agent. For potting on and for other container plants, I amend it further with a little coir, more perlite, some finished leaf compost I get from the local recycling center and a bit of my own worm compost. I start a lot of rosemary from cuttings and many lavender plants from seed (from my own plants). For potting on lavender & rosemary, I add some finely crushed eggshell.

  • 9 years ago

    What I meant and maybe did not communicate clearly enough was that the "brand" of plants was fine and that buying a different "brand" would not make any difference if using the same sort of soil/potting mix. The outcome would be the same.

    I am not an idiot - of course the current plants are toast and should just be thrown out!! I am a very experienced gardener and grow extensively in containers as well as teaching classes on container gardening. I am actually a professional gardener/designer with a degree in horticulture!

    For a rosemary, you do not want ANY sort of peat based potting soil. And never include any compost in a potting/container mix. What you want is a very durable, highly textured and fast draining soil, which negates the inclusion of anything like finely textured peat or any other readily degradable organic matter. Something more like a cactus mix or what they discuss frequently on the Container Gardening forum as 'gritty mix'.

  • 9 years ago

    OK. Meant no offense, needn't be so defensive, gardengal. I was being a bit facetious as it seemed pretty clear that those plants were beyond hope. Don't want to argue. Using the mix I described above has worked for me for many years. I, too, have worked as a professional and have taught numerous classes on many aspects of gardening. There are many ways to garden. Whatever works, works. Peace.

  • 9 years ago

    Your comments singling me out read as though I had no idea what I was talking about when a closer reading of my previous post should have made it clear that it was the soil that was the problem.....not the type/brand of plant. Your tone was more than a little offensive even if that was not your intent.

    I was not being defensive but rather attempting to further explain what I could see immediately was the problem - not the plants themselves but what they were planted in. And that makes a huge difference in successful container gardening whether you realize that or not.