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Fireplace sinking. Should they run?

Friends of mine have become quite enamored of an early 20s cottage that still has a lot of original detail left: four-over-one windows, floors, coffered wood ceilings, even the old blue corner tub.


However, the living room has a massive limestone fireplace that has evidently sunk several inches over the years, as you can see from the listing pics:


This is a frame house, old FL-style, with a low crawl space beneath, no basement, of course. I realize they will need to get a structural engineer out to see what could be done, but I was just wondering how big a deal this is likely to be. The fireplace is in the center of the house, unfortunately.


Comments (18)

  • 8 years ago

    Once they get the engineer's report, deduct the cost of taking down the fireplace, providing structural support and rebuilding it, if they want to. It all comes down to dollars and cents.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked worthy
  • 8 years ago

    Thanks, worthy. Yes, of course. I believe the owners have priced it as they have (a 3 br in that neighborhood is like gold) because of the work needed. But I'm sure there will be a bidding war.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    We had a house with a sinking fireplace. The fireplace was on an outside wall, fortunately, over a basement which had another fireplace directly under the first. Complicating the issue was the fact that the entire house was constructed of native limestone. Very very heavy. The ceilings cracked and the basement floor dropped about 3" in a area of about 4'x 10'.

    We hired a professional firm from the city to try to lift the house. Because of the weight (or because maybe they weren't very competent) they were only able to lift the house an inch or so. They were able to stabilize it by the installation of piers sunk down to bedrock under the house (I believe they had to go 60').

    All told, we spent $15,000 and were really not happy with the results.

    This was about 15 years ago. We really did just the minimum we had to to get the house sold.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked littlebug zone 5 Missouri
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    That's a beautiful room! Love the fireplace! Ask a house inspector, maybe they don't have to fix it, it hasn't been falling down since 1920. It's must be solid since it only settled down 3" after all these years......I don't know anything about house inspections though, to me it's not broken and it works. :-)

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked summersrhythm_z6a
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Thanks very much littlebug. That's very helpful. Such a massive fireplace is extremely unusual down here. Most of the cottages built around that time just have a basic heatilator-type.

    Summersrhythm, yes, it's a very nice room, isn't it?

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    You are welcome. I thought I still had pictures of that house - just for fun, here's one of the fireplace on the main floor. This was taken after the repairs were completed. The base of the fireplace and the wood floor never did really line up the way they should have; that's why the area rug is pushed right up against the fireplace.

    The home actually had 3 fireplaces, two on the main floor and one in the basement.


    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked littlebug zone 5 Missouri
  • 8 years ago

    Thank you, summers. Yes, it was a beautiful home but it was very large and was setting on 130 acres. We are approaching retirement age, our boys grew up and left home, and we didn't need all the space nor the land. A common story.

    We sold it all and moved to a much smaller home on a town-sized lot on the golf course. And no fireplaces! :)

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked littlebug zone 5 Missouri
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Wow, I'd love to have 130 acres horse farm. I'd have dirt bike trails throughout property, and 3000 roses, 300 fruit trees........100 goats.....2 miniature donkeys........lol

    We have a fireplace at the suburb house, the country place had one but for some reason it was closed.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked summersrhythm_z6a
  • 8 years ago

    What a beauty. Hope it isn't a major deal.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked cpartist
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Hi, cpartist. I figured you'd like it. :)

    I don't think the kitchen is in the original spot, and I'm pretty sure the house is missing some built-ins, but otherwise it's amazingly untouched compared to most of what you can find these days. It looks like it got some upgrading shortly after it was built, because it's from 1923 but has a colored tub, and it looks like they enclosed the porch very early on, since it also has 4-over-1s.

    Unfortunately it has two baths. 2nd bath is recent, in attic, but it scares me, because it means my friends will be bidding against a lot of sober homes for sure. Those folks won't be bothered by the fireplace, either.

  • 8 years ago

    I hope your friends get that beautiful home! Bidding war is no fun.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked summersrhythm_z6a
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Bidding war is no fun.

    Especially not when you're up against people who can make an extra $60K a month from the second bathroom, so they don't care what it costs.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    I always view life as everyone has a book, a journey down earth, If that house is meant to be theirs, the house keys would find their way landing in their hands. :-) Give the best offer, wait and see........

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked summersrhythm_z6a
  • 8 years ago

    Unlikely to be a structural problem. But likely to be expensive to fix. Not that you probably need to


    Love the house!

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked Milly Rey
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    8 years ago

    Slab on grade or crawl space?

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked Windows on Washington Ltd
  • 8 years ago

    Very low crawl space, but it's moot since they were outbid.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    My question would have been - is it still sinking, or did it settle a few inches at first, but hasnt since. If the latter then no fix may be necessary, except to conceal the gaps. One house I looked at - it was obviously still moving based on the fact that a fresh coat of paint theyd done prior to house going on sale had recracked along same fault lines.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked Debbie Downer