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Help! Different needs for leaf vs. cutting vs. rooted plant?

9 years ago

How do watering/light needs differ between a leaf cutting, a deadhead, and a rooted plant being repotted? I think I understand what the leaves need (leave alone in a dry place out of light, don't water/mist until you see roots), but I just went about either deadheading (removing root base) or repotting (rinsing but leaving roots intact) the majority of my succulents and I'm worried I've gone about it wrong.

There is one set of plants I repotted in a gritty mix where half of them are rooted and half were just deadheaded bare stems. I put them all back together and planned to wait a week to water them, then put them back outside and water them normally. Is it OK to be watering the pot (it's well-draining) when the deadheads are rootless? Should the rooted plants not have been left out to dry?

I'm especially worried because the Topsy Turvy I rinsed and repotted has lost all of its biggest leaves to seeming dehydration (they've shriveled up to a crisp one by one). It's now half the size it was. :( I had been watering it, so at first I thought it was rotting, but when I pulled it out, everything seemed fine. So I repotted it, but haven't watered it since, and leaves continue to shrivel. :(

I'm worried this is going to happen to all the other plants I've done this to. And now worried that my cuttings will rot if they get watered along with the rooted plants.

TLDR: What water and light conditions do each of these plants need?

1. Cutting - roots and lower leaves removed, left out to dry

2. Plant - roots rinsed of soil and left out to dry

3. Small propagated plantlet with plant and roots growing

Succulents I left rooted:

- Senecio vitalis
- Portulacaria afra variegata
- Crassula ovata
- Echeveria lilacana (or something like it)
- Echeveria prolifica
- Echeveria Topsy Turvy (depotted this, now just sitting dry in a try)
- Zebra Haworthia (have not repotted this yet, also sitting out in a tray)
- Kalanchoe luciae
- Kalanchoe tomentosa
- Pachyphytum compactum
- Sedum dasyphyllum major

Succulents that were chopped and dried:

- Echeveria nodulosa
- Graptopetalum superbum
- Pachyphytum hookeri
- A couple types of Sedeveria
- Sedum adolphii
- Kalanchoe longiflora (just the very tops, like 4 leaves each)

I also have rootless offsets I just removed from the Haworthia and the Topsy Turvy,

What should I be doing with these? :(

More background here!

Comments (11)

  • 9 years ago

    No, you didn't repeat, this was exactly what I was looking for, thank you! Should the rootless cuttings be placed on top of gritty mix or have the stem submerged?

    With the Topsy Turvy, this is what I did with it:

    1. Depotted, knocked off old soil from roots, repotted in gritty mix.
    2. Let sit for a day or two in shade, watered, and put by a window.
    3. Biggest leaves started shriveling up.
    4. Was afraid it was rotting due to old soil/too much water, so depotted and inspected. Everything looked fine, so I washed the old soil off roots, dried with a paper towel, let them rest for a few hours, then repotted.
    5. Put back out by window, but haven't watered since. Biggest leaves continued shriveling.

    So maybe it needs water? I'd initially stopped because I thought it had too much (though it was only watered once). Still, it's only been a week or two without water and it started shriveling early on.

    Here are some pics of some plantlets with leaves and roots - the ones on the left:

    The ones on the right are cuttings that have just the beginnings of small roots.

    Here are some smaller ones, including a Topsy Turvy (no roots on that one yet):


    These have not been watered at all yet. I'm afraid to because everything's at different stages - some things have roots, some don't.

    Here is the pot I replanted. The Senecio seems to be flailing a little bit, the leaves started curling towards the light immediately and are now starting to look a tad wrinkled. The top was damaged in the repotting process. :( Half of these plants are cuttings, half have roots. This pot hasn't been watered yet since repotting (been almost a week).


    I LOVE the Sedum dasyphyllum. All of the little heads perked right up the day after they were repotted. I hope lots more grows!

  • 9 years ago

    Please don't keep pulling up plants to check. Rotting plants will usually show signs, like purple/black coloring on leaves or stems, it will also feel soft to touch, leaves may be loose when touched, leaves turning yellow, translucent, but still plump.

    Regarding your Topsy Turvy, I think it is just adjusting to its roots being disturbed. How long since you bought it, and then repotted? It may be trying to adjust to new environment, and then trying to adjust to its roots being disturbed. It is trying to grow new roots, since the plant is unable to support itself after the repotting, the older leaves died off to preserve the younger leaves. You still need to water to promote root growth, but as per usual only after mix is dry. You don't want two steps forward and one step backward, by keeping it too dry, so new roots died off in between watering.

    Mare TN z7a thanked Frank
  • 9 years ago

    I would just leave tiny plants alone - IMO, they are still too small to move. I usually do not water until mother leaf is mostly dry - there is plenty of moisture in it until then. As Frank said, it is best not to disturb plants. Rootless cuttings may need watering when they grow roots since they have nothing to 'feed/drink' from. So in the future, keep leaves and stem cuttings in separate containers to make it easier. Watch the cuttings for any wilting and give them some water, just around the plant. You said they have roots - best way to tell is just a gentle touch. If plant feels firm in the mix, it most likely had grown some roots. Sometime there is new growth - also sign that plant has roots.

    I just leave leaves on top of the mix, others insert them partially in the mix. Either way should work. My method is to ignore them :) - they seem to start growing faster (you know: watched pot never boils...)

    I would not put rootless cutting in the same bowl as plants with roots - makes it more difficult to know when to water. If ones with roots don't get moisture, roots may dry up. If you water - ones without roots could start rotting.

    Mare TN z7a thanked rina_Ontario,Canada 5a
  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    So should I take the rootless cuttings out of the the pot and lay them on gritty mix? I think the other plants in the pot are needing water. They've only been in the pot for about a week, so not sure if roots would have grown yet for me to disturb. I could also put them in little shot-size mugs with no water or soil, just to prop them up.

    The Echeveria nodulosa cutting had soft leaves at the bottom even before I cut it. It's hard to tell how they're doing otherwise due to their coloring. The stem seems OK though.

    Unfortunately for the Topsy Turvy, I also changed my mind with what pot I wanted it in, so I ended up repotting it a second time. It will now stay where it is and has been watered!

    Would the propageted leaves and cuttings be negatively affected if I kept them in a windowless room? It'd be the best place I have to keep them away from curious cats, but zero light.

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I am little confused...What do you mean by 'stemless cuttings'? - the leaves? You also said (in previous post): "The ones on the right are cuttings that have just the beginnings of small roots." Now you are saying: "They've only been in the pot for about a week, so not sure if roots would have grown yet for me to disturb"...I am not sure what plants you are talking about...

    If I may say so, keep it simple. Do not keep repotting plants for any reasons, let them root - grow - whatever they need to do, first. They can be repotted into different pot later on. Going into winter, they need to get established. They really are better to cut - repot when they are actively growing. So just take care of what you have now, without disturbing them any more. I think you are very eager (that is not unusual!!!) and may be doing more harm than good. This is not to criticise, just to help. Hope you understand.

    Zero light is not suitable for any plant, much less for succulents. While the leaves and cuttings do not need strong sunlight right now, they need light and should be given best light possible as time goes on. I would start acclimatizing them to stronger light slowly - as soon as cuttings feel anchored in the mix, and as the plantlets growing from leaves get bigger. Otherwise, you'll end up with very etiolated plants - weak stems, sparsely spaced leaves, unhealthy color.

  • 9 years ago

    Oops, I meant "rootless" there (edited the post). The ones I'm talking about are the E. nodulosa, Graptopetalum, and Sedeverias that are in the pot in the photo above. They are cuttings, just missing the roots. Sorry, I'm still learning the right terminology to use with these. Are a stem and leaves without roots just "cuttings"? The ones I was referring to "on the right" are basically just the apex snipped from the original plant... also "cuttings"? And the leaves just "leaves"?

    And yes, you're right, I guess I'm the classic overenthusiastic newb, heh :) Maybe it's a rite of passage to kill your first batch of succulents with love?

    I went to the store today to get sphagnum moss (only sphagnum moss) and came home with 8 more succulents. What is happening to meeee??!?!?!

    Just to clarify what you're saying - I should NOT pull out the cuttings from the pot that needs to be watered, and just leave everything alone?

    Thank you so much for your advice and patience, rina!


  • 9 years ago

    Hi Mar9en. I don't really know anything about sphagnum moss, but I read people in this forum warning people not to use it. I guess it's like any moss that grows on the surface of damp soil and sometimes plants.

    I'm also guessing that the problem with it could be that it acts like mulch, preventing moisture evaporation to keep the soil moist.

    I could be completely wrong. But if it was me, I would wait to see if people with more knowledge give their advice, before using it.

  • 9 years ago

    Hi Helen! The sphagnum was actually for a staghorn fern I'm trying to regrow from fronds. :) I keep it far away from my succulents!

  • 9 years ago

    Lol Mar9en. I'm so sorry for assuming and thankyou for being ok about it.

  • 9 years ago

    Personally, I would keep cuttings (any pieces of plants that were cut off and have no roots) in separate pots and dry. The may start growing roots in different length of time - in my experience, Sedeveria roots almost instantly. Others could take bit longer. They can be potted into community pot later on, when they have roots.

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