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Should we start a budwood / cutting exchange thread?

8 years ago

Hi Everyone,


Vladimir in another thread brought up the idea of sharing budwood with each other via this forum, which some of us think could be a really great idea. That being said, there is definitely a need for caution and there are risks to sharing budwood or cuttings outside of official budwood programs. Here are a few thoughts to start the discussion:


1. Budwood / cutting exchanges are a cheap way to acquire material for growing new trees.


2. Sharing with each other could be a great way to further improve forum camaraderie.


3. Having a single thread for budwood / cutting exchanges would keep the topic from spilling into other threads.


4. Budwood that isn't certified could arrive with disease or pest problems, which could spread to a grower's other trees.


5. Some of us live in or near quarantine areas and really shouldn't be sending or receiving non-certified budwood.



So, what does everyone think?

Comments (58)

  • 8 years ago

    Here is what I have available:

    • Calamondin
    • Grapefruit, Oroblanco
    • Kumquat, Fukushu
    • Kumquat, Meiwa
    • Kumquat, Nagami
    • Lemon, Meyer
    • Lemon, New Zealand Lemonade
    • Lemon, Ponderosa
    • Lemon, yuzu
    • Lemonquat
    • Lime, Key lime
    • Lime, red
    • Lime, sweet, Mexican
    • Lime, sweet, Palestinian
    • Mandarin, Clementine, Red
    • Mandarin, Honey Murcott
    • Mandarin, Miho Statsuma
    • Mandarin, Nasnaran
    • Mandarin, Owari satsuma
    • Mandarin, Seedless Kishu
    • Mandarin, Sumo, shiranui, (Dekopon)
    • Orange, navel
    • Orange, navel, red
    • Orange, sour, Citrus
    • Orange, sour, Sanbokan
    • Poncirus trifoliata (not Flying Dragon)


    Am looking for :

    • Marumi kumquat
    • Mandarinquat
    • Ponkan tangerine
    • Xie shan Satsuma
  • 8 years ago

    For cuttings I have:

    • Tango mandarin
    • Palestine sweet lime
    • Owari Satsuma
    • Meyer lemon (who doesn't?) - including a large branch I'm air layering right now

    Not big enough to take cuttings yet, but check back later:

    • Tahitian pomelo
    • Santa Teresa lemon
    • NZ Lemonade

    Seedlings (quite young) if anyone is interested:

    • Calamondin
    • Minneola tangelo
    • unknown orange
    • ruby grapefruit
    • Coffee
    • jackfruit

    Interested in maybe getting yuzu, kaffir lime, Morton or Rusk citrange, keraji mandarin, Prague citsuma, and other unusual stuff. In NC - no quarantine.


  • 8 years ago

    Best not to formalize such things; better to leave it friend to friend and PM, rather than on this forum; lest you find one day a USDA inspector ringing your doorbell.

  • 8 years ago

    I don't see this as any different than any other exchange. We know better than to send to citrus growing areas.

  • 8 years ago

    " We know better" Define who is "we"

  • 8 years ago

    "We" are those of us with common sense. I suppose if one were unscrupulous, you would find a way to get what you want either friend to friend or by PM. But I do see your point that I don't know you or necessarily anybody else from Sam Hill.

  • 8 years ago

    The only thing that would interest me, is something cold hardy, seeds or cutting. i have meyer lemon, kishu mandarin, owari satsuma and a fukushu kumquat and some nonsense cuttings and rootstock. Since these have to come inside during winter I'm done, I just want a few semi mature things - no collection. But I'd love to trial something (not necessarily the tastiest) outdoors in the ground besides a Citrangequat, or a known better citrangequat. Ever see those palm guys, they do some amazing things

  • 8 years ago

    Brooklyn, I have a Prague sitsuma that I just planted in the ground. I will be able to take cuttings of that in the near future. Vlad, I have a Xie Shan but need to evaluate where I can cut. It took a hit over winter. I also have lots of other types as many of you know ;)

  • 8 years ago

    Van,

    Unfortunately, common sense, like common courtesy are not common in our society.



  • 8 years ago

    So true, John.

  • 8 years ago

    thank you, I'm in Brooklyn so NO QUARANTINE, you got me beat on Citrus, figs cutting? Daffodils? I dunno, I might have something.....

  • 8 years ago

    Steve talked me into it, I'll plant out the Citrangequat in the ground......then build something later before winter

  • 8 years ago

    I'll put my 2 cents in this situation, first do you notice that members in this forum are mostly zone 7 or 8, second people living in Florida, Arizona, California and others don't even talk citrus anymore, just a handful of diehards that stay with citrus. Friends of mine are going in different fruits like Avocado's and other subtropical fruits. The older citrus forums are gone, except this one. Clean budwood from sources in California and Texas sell mainly to people from their own state, you can get anything from them. I for one do not need anymore varieties, as a matter of fact i like to explore more in a different direction, got tropical on trial now and doing very well indeed. I don't even trust F/W.Those companies will sell more different stuff to stay alive. Like me i'll be gone too.

    To the point, if you like budwood all you have to do write a post saying that you are in need in a variety that is missing, you will get an answer( I hope) and that is good enough for me.

  • 8 years ago

    Vlad, super nice collection you got there. I envied your operation, too big for me. I am maxed-out, don't need another one. Good luck!

  • 8 years ago

    I just started growing my own little Eden of plants last summer so I don't have much to offer.. I'm in the process of ordering a few citrus trees from Stan but other than that the only things citrus I currently have are grown from seed:

    Rio Red - Minneola Tangelo - Moro - Mandelo/Cocktail grapefruit

    It's more of a hands on experiment for me to learn how to identify the nucellar clones. I also have some new blueberries and figs but they are at the rooted cuttings stage right now.

    Vlad I'm planning to purchase a Ponkan so I may be able to air layer one for you in the future when it gets a bit larger. I'm interested in having a Miho satsuma to compare with my future Okitsu Wase and a calamondin to share with my boyfriend's mom.


  • 8 years ago

    Kvetch, thanks for the offer.

  • 8 years ago

    Vlad. I PM you but I don't know if you check that. I just got Ponkan budwood from another source and I have about 6 sticks left. I'd like some red lime if you have any to spare. You can email me directly at the address above. Thanks.

  • 8 years ago

    Everyone helped me with ideas on how to get started grafting a few weeks ago. I'd broken my hand and had to put off my attempts for awhile. But now I'm ready and getting a slow education in getting budwood. Discovered the variety I'd hanker for is Daisy SL. The nursery I made an inquiry with must have had a good laugh when they told me they had it but the minimum was 100 when I wanted only 10.

    But wondering if anyone might have any mandarin or tangelo budwood this late. I'm not choosy as this is my first attempt. I have nothing to exchange in return :-( but a lot of gratitude. I only really need 2-3.

    Thanks.

  • 8 years ago

    PacNorWreck, could I get your email? I suspect you live close to me and I might be interested in collaborating with you.

  • 8 years ago

    You have to know who you are dealing with. I have members that I know from way back when and they are honest ones. I would not send budwood to just any one. I only grow healthy tree,s, sickly ones get distroyed. When you grow a bunch of tree,s you can afford to do some experimenting with a few, in my case most tree,s were free, no money outlay. If somebody wants budwood from me, I look at that tree first. I can get budwood from so many sources but because my “ operation “ is so small I can be more specific.

    l will not openly offer budwood to just anybody. It might be a sh.. attitude on my part. Good friend are hard to come by.

  • 8 years ago

    Big Brother is watching, Big Brother is bankrupt, Big Brother can issue devastating fines. Do it through private email.

  • 8 years ago

    How do I treat budwood? Well to me budwood is just like getting a new tree. If somebody paid $ 50.00 some odd dollars for a tree and happens to give me a piece of budwood that piece is worth $ 50.00 to me, so I treat it very carefully and make sure it is going to grow in a new tree.

  • 8 years ago
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    I just got 1 graft success out of 16 tries. I don't need any budwood when that good budwood could go to some one that can make use of it.

  • 8 years ago

    When you don't live in citrus land and you aren't an established grower here, how do you come by budwood? I'm a neophyte, and eager to get started but don't know where to begin. Have healthy unknown origin rootstock that a neighbor previously had a tangelo grafted into until she chopped it off. The tree was about 7 years old and purchased at OGW 5 years ago. I could use some Shiranui budwood that I already have but would love to try something different. Maybe since this is a first it would be best to stick with what I already have on hand? What do you do when you're just starting out?

  • 8 years ago

    I have a baby citrangequat I could trade

  • 8 years ago

    I think most of the people here are true diehard citrus lovers. I cannot imagine anybody here sending something infected to another member here, quarantine or no quarantine. If anybody does exchange scions or cuttings, I would hope that the sender would be sure to treat their trees before sharing.

  • 8 years ago

    I also have a true hardy black fig known to survive here in Brooklyn without protection ( I have protected its clone with a garbage pail) very reliable always bears they root readily, maybe needs a 6th leaf pinch or too for encouragement ........I have a baby elberta peach came from mamas seed (could be off I know)

  • 8 years ago

    Nancy, I have been practicing with what I have on hand. I had to prune a tree recently, so used the pruned branch for practice. I also just did another one using a cutting from a tree I am going to overwinter, as insurance in case it dies.

  • 8 years ago

    Aside from my Meyers, which I imported legally.... with some help from powerful people, most all of my many citrus varieties came from budwood given to me by local friends, or grown from seed. I have a small group of citrus friends with whom I also trade budwood and Meyer trees. Most often when you give something away, the benefactor finds a way to pay you back.

  • 8 years ago

    I am thinking of using a Palestine sweet lime and a Mexican sweet lime as root stocks for some citrus. Haven't decided which to use as scions yet.

    Will either one of these make a decent root stock?

  • 8 years ago

    Rootstock should be selected, most importantly for container or planting in ground, as many rootstocks are not resistant to whatever soil pathogens you might have. Secondly is the issue of compatibility, as some rootstocks are not compatible with some scions.

  • 8 years ago
    If you’re looking for rootstocks, an easy/cheap way is to buy a sour orange from a grocery store (might try an international store). I bought one fruit this spring and planted the seeds - they’re big enough now to graft onto.

    (You might remember me posting about it - the orange seemed sweet so I was unsure what it really was. But when the seedlings grew the leaves were definitely sour orange. Since then I’ve learned that there are sour oranges that are actually kind of sweet.)
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    John and lucky, thanks for your replies. The reason I am thinking of using one of those two sweet limes is that I already have both and both are large trees - about 6 feet wide. I hate the taste of the fruit - aptly described by others as being insipid. I am thinking of grafting a number of scions onto one tree and getting rid of the other.

  • 8 years ago

    " I already have both and both are large trees -" But do you know what rootstock they are on; or are they seedlings or rooted cuttings? Often the rootstock has the most impact on the size of the tree.

  • 8 years ago

    Thank you Brooklyn Citrus. Think I'll just work with what I have at home. May take you up at a later date when I have something to trade to you. Appreciate your thoughtfulness.


  • 8 years ago

    Vlad I'm also curious about using Palestine sweet lime as a rootstock. I'm guessing it would work OK for a container plant, but probably doesn't have any qualities that make it particularly well-suited for that use.

  • 8 years ago

    John, I bought these trees on Craigslist so don't know there provenance. I cannot see a graft union on one and see what might possibly be a very faint graft union on the other. Have no idea what the root stock might be in any case. I suspect that it will not get much larger than it is now, it being a container plant and not in ground.

  • 8 years ago

    I'm looking for one cold hardy item that might bear in my lifetime..........I'll be growing and cutting down a morton citrange for years to get a higher node count as I'm doing with my thomasville (but at least that in the ground outside)

  • 8 years ago
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    I really don’t understand why some people are opposed to bud wood swapping. The disease arguement is crap.

    what stops someone in Cali from shipping an order from Florida to a friend in another state and the friend shipping to Cali after removing any mention of citrus or live plant from the box? Same with someone in Arizona or Texas.

    its all an honor system regardless of the source of the plant. Unless all interstate sales are stopped. And even then it’s possible to walk into a store and send a tree to a friend in another state.

    which is why I think it’s crap the states don’t cooperate more on official budwood exchanges. Every variety in America should be available in every citrus quarantine state otherwise the desire to break the rules will exist and happen.

    Because it does happen. I refuse to believe that Arizona gardens don’t have New Zealand lemonade. I refuse to believe Florida growers don’t have valentine blood pomelo and so on.


    in short telling people in Nebraska that they shouldn’t swap budwood with someone in Michigan because you want to pretend it’s going to introduce hlb to Arizona or expand it in Cali is crazy.

  • 8 years ago

    What I don’t understand is why budwood from a non quarantine state is not allowed into a quarantine state. I understand the reverse, but maybe I’m just ignorant. I’m also fairly certain HLB or ACP are not found up here in Atlanta, but I would never take the chance of sending out budwood.

  • 8 years ago

    Pip, there is a usda website/email listed on the CCPP for out of state (outside CA) inquiries. Even though I’m in a quarantine state, they agreed to ship me several types of lemon scions, including NZL. For free. Maybe you’ll have luck there?

  • 8 years ago

    Arizona is a quarantine state and we don’t have hlb. That’s the point. To keep it out. Or keep it in. Either way, keep it from spreading.


    which again is why all citrus states need access to the full spectrum of budwood in the USA. Otherwise there is a reason to break quarantine. (Not saying it’s a good idea)

  • 8 years ago
    Ah, that makes sense - I didn’t realize it hadn’t reached AZ yet. I believe we’ve only had one or two cases in GA so far. I agree with the access to budwood, though I believe that is what the USDA is doing through the repository. The person who emailed me said he was sending the budwood for free until the regional centers are all online.
  • 8 years ago

    They mentioned they would send it in september, a few months back. Have you heard anything since then kelley? Im assuming its still on track, just wondering.

  • 8 years ago

    Thanks for the tip Kelley :-)

  • 8 years ago

    Jaydub, I added a few varieties to my order last week - so far so good! We shall see.

  • 7 years ago

    Bumping this thread to see if anyone is interested in swaps this year.

    I definitely can provide this summer: yuzu, bearss lemon, calamondin

    I might be able to provide depending on how much growth I get this year: smith red valencia, seville orange, sudachi, duncan grapefruit, oroblanco, tahitian pomelo

    I would be interested in: kabosu (doubt anyone has it but worth a shot!), (excalibur) red lime, marrakech limetta, santa teresa lemon, genoa lemon

  • 6 years ago
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    Could anybody send a gold nugget budstick to me? I have some things to trade if necessary. I would really love to get my hands on some and put these rootstocks to good use. i will pay shipping of course, and i'm a non quarantine state.

  • 6 years ago

    Hey jaydub, if you can’t find any here, try the Tropical Fruit Forum. I’ve received budwood from several different members :)