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Hardwood Floors from Hell

7 years ago

Our hardwood floor renovations comprised two phases: (1) refinishing our existing flooring (including both 85- and 18-year-old sections) and (2) installing new hardwood floors in our renovated kitchen and den.


Phase One went relatively smoothly, in retrospect. There were areas where the old wood needed to be replaced and the installer did a fine job. There was also one scuff mark which he quickly touched up. We did notice some sloppiness, areas where the stain dripped down onto the stair risers or brushed up onto the molding. But we plan to paint, so we didn’t complain, especially because the price on the work seemed much more reasonable than last time we’d done the floors. So far so good.


Until Phase Two. That’s the hellish part.


The drips of sloppiness in Phase One became a deluge in Phase Two, which, again, constituted new hardwood installations in the kitchen and den. It seemed almost predestined. For example, before the work even began, I was especially worried about stain splashing onto the new cabinetry in the kitchen. When I asked the installer why he wasn’t protecting the new peninsula and base cabinets with tape or plastic before staining the floors, he insisted it wasn’t necessary because “nothing ever happened” that would necessitate that. Until now, I guess.


Here is a pic of the damaged peninsula:



But it gets worse. As we were literally watching the polyurethane dry, we noticed what looked like transparent “brains” and “vertebrae” imprinted all over both the den and kitchen floors. On closer inspection, they turned out to be work-boot prints. Apparently, the installer’s workers had walked all over the floors after applying the finish on the assumption they were dry. They weren’t.


Here’s what it looked like:


Only they were all over both floors .....


But wait, there’s more: We also found hardened blobs of polyurethane on our existing hardwood floors (i.e., from the previously acceptable Phase One.) We're guessing that they tracked it over to the den after finishing in the kitchen. Here is what one of those looked like after they “cleaned it up”.





Obviously, we made clear to our GC that the work was unacceptable. To his credit, he responded by having his carpenter fabricate a trim to cover the floor stains on the peninsula. Toe-kick covered the stains on the lower cabinets. And the installer himself, also to his credit, acknowledged (with some colorful language) his fault and agreed to remove the footprints and blobs of polyurethane.


Easier said than done, apparently. For when his men came for Round Two to remove the footprints and polyurethane spills, they took something else off the floor too. And what that something is, we still don’t know. Nor can we get a straight answer about it from either our GC or the installer. All we know is that there are gaps and perforations or pits throughout the flooring in both the kitchen and den. Here is a sample pic of the unhappy result:


Again, these perforations, gaps and pits appear throughout both floors.


What’s to be done? The installer checked in today to make an appointment to come this week. But no promises. When I raised the question of how he’ll be able to fix the gaps and perforations between the planks, he said that maybe the changes in the weather caused the wood to contract. We aren’t buying it because this problem was apparent the moment they did the last round of “mediation,” and we have the pictures of the shortly before and shortly after to disprove it.


We’re guessing that when the workers came to remove the footprints, the machine they used sucked up some kind of filler between the wood, or perhaps removed too much polyurethane. But our background is in law, not wood flooring. We’re fervently hoping we don’t have to draw on our expertise to get this fixed.


Ahead of the installer’s “one more time” shot at making this right, we would be very grateful for any insights and advice from our fellow Houzzers.

Comments (18)

  • 7 years ago

    Wow, so sorry you are dealing with this. Did the floor sit in your house for a few days to acclimate? I hope they can make it right.

    Jane C. thanked mark_rachel
  • 7 years ago

    Thanks, mark_rachel. Yes, they did leave the new flooring in the house for a few days.

  • 7 years ago

    Could wood filler have been pulled out causing the gaps and holes?

    Jane C. thanked vinmarks
  • 7 years ago

    That's our guess. But how do you put that back in once the floors are already finished?

  • PRO
    7 years ago

    Use that "law background" and don't pay them and hire new flooring contractors who actually know what they're doing. This is appalling...

    Jane C. thanked Anglophilia
  • 7 years ago

    Well I am hoping you held back like 30 per cent of what is owed to him until he finishes the floors to what they should be.....tell him he gets paid when the floors are done like every one agreed on in the written contract.....you are attorneys, then attorney.

    Jane C. thanked Susan Davis
  • 7 years ago

    I am not a flooring profecional but based on this YouTube video, see below, it looks like you are correct that when they tried to fix one problem they caused another by removing a gap filler. It looks like a pretty easy and inexpensive fix so the GCs first response of it being wood contracting instead of knowing right away what happened and how to fix it makes me question his integrity. Sorry you are going through this, good luck.


    https://youtu.be/ndNHTHNWT3U

    Jane C. thanked Hope Guthrie
  • 7 years ago

    I am so sorry. I would be very, very, very upset with those floors and everything you've been through. I hope they make it right but I was shaking my head when he was trying to say it could be from the floor contracting. I know they're probably losing money but the way those floors look they should be apologizing and scrambling to properly correct them.

    Jane C. thanked User
  • 7 years ago

    Many thanks to all who responded. These comments are so helpful. We did have the good sense to hold pack full payment, but we would rather have them do right on their end and pay them in full.

  • 7 years ago

    Steve, first off, thank you so much for taking the time to respond. Your insights are not merely of "limited usefulness." This is huge! We really appreciate it.


    You raise something I hadn't mentioned in the post but have been wondering about -- it always seemed to me that the wood looked lighter after they sanded off the footprints. Did they take off some stain, too, I wondered? Now I'm beginning to think I wasn't seeing things.


    And we'd rather not think it, but it looks like the only way to get this done right is to do it again with someone who will.

  • 7 years ago
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    Great info, Steve. I think it’s great that people who do have experience are here reading our posts and giving valuable feedback. I’m new to this site with my own search for answers (not wood related or anywhere near this level of importance) so I just wanted to say thank you for being here and willing to offer your knowledge of a paticular skill to others.

    Jane C. thanked Hope Guthrie
  • 7 years ago

    Good luck, Jane. You’re handeling this situation very very well. You have every right to be upset and you’re staying so composed and classy Wish you the best in getting this resolved.

    Jane C. thanked Hope Guthrie
  • PRO
    7 years ago

    Hi, Jane--

    So sorry to hear you're going through this, but I think the critical thing on your side here is twofold: that you've been able to recount a reasonable chain of events with minimal conjecture, and also you were thoughtful enough to photo-document the progress through its multiple stages. Attorney skills in the background on lock!

    Jane C. thanked Fairway Style Living
  • 7 years ago

    Hope and Fairway Style Living (and everyone!) -- Thanks once again for the kind words and moral support! Hoping to report a happy ending at some point.

  • 7 years ago

    I just realized something I had not fully grasped when I first wrote this post:


    When our installer's guy (not one of the men who did the staining and finishing) first laid down the new wood planks, my cleaning lady (and BFF) pointed out that there were way too many gaps in between them. (Her husband and brother are in construction.) When I asked him about them, he said something to the effect that it was normal and showed me what looked like sawdust -- not putty -- that he was going to use to fill them in.


    Does anyone know whether this is standard in the industry? Is it normal to have so many gaps on Day One when you're installing brand new floors? And is sawdust (or whatever it was) the standard filler?


    Thank you!


  • PRO
    7 years ago
    Small gaps are normal- credit card sized. They make a water based filler that gets squeegeed on to fill the cracks and pores. Sawdust? No.
    Jane C. thanked HALLETT & Co.
  • 7 years ago
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    I’m no expert on flooring, but to me those dark spots look like the result of whatever they used to remove the poly, has been turned into a slurry with sanded floor sawdust and pushed into the gaps and then new poly has just been applied straight over the top. Repair incompetence further compounding installation incompetence. I'm sure there are written instructions from the various manufacturers on how to spot repair floor finishes, but they probably got filed in the trash can next to the desk of the owner of the floor installation company.

    The lack of communication from your GC and installer is likely a familiar scenario in the legal profession: the realization that the entire floor might need to be sanded and refinished with a significant discount applied and they’re trying to work out how to minimize the personal loss and which contractor will bear the brunt of the costs.
    I’m sorry for you. These seem like rookie mistakes from both the installer and the GC without providing adequate supervision to under-trained employees and subcontractors, verging on willful damage by uncaring employees. (I'm assuming you had no other contractors in the house while the floor was being finished.) Accidents happen, but this series of events just seems to be approaching incompetence and I get the sense you have the same feeling gnawing at your insides.

    You don’t say what relationship the GC has with the installer, but my interpretation of your post seems to me to indicate the GC is covering for the installer and an installer who doesn't seem to care whether he's in business next week or not. The GC should be working for you and not the installer and the ongoing lack of resolution and communication is a red flag.
    At this stage, my advice would be to bypass both the GC and the installer and get another opinion from a local, independent and reputable floor installation company. IMO, your GC should have already done this, hence my comments above. It's a shame to lose faith with your GC, but the situation and evasion of appropriate remediation seems to determine this course of action.

    Jane C. thanked Tony Stevens