Do the terms "vinyl windows" and "Craftsman" seem at odds to you?

Marvin makes the Ultimate Double Hung Next Generation that I think have some vinyl in the packaging, does that count?

"simulated divided light" ,.......................you will do these ONCE you realize.

And without an elevation of the house posted, and without sizes........who can really help you?

Some days the aristocrats can be a little hard and Not much help.

I would double check on with Soft-Lite and Okna.

Maybe check out Vytex, Kensing, or Polaris.

Andersens' 100 series can be configured with either a Craftsman or Prairie style look. Pick the window style (double hung, slider, etc.) and pick the grille style. Done.

Good suggestion from Sabrina, those windows don’t even have a profile.

Keep in mind they have single hungs but no double hungs. The single hung also loads from side and does not tilt like most modern ones do, it also has a pocket sill.

I like there casements a bit more.

Thanks, Todd. I've got an inquiry into Soft Lite about the mullions. I think their exterior profile actually looks the best. And a review of the OKNA does show prairie mullion options and SDL on their Enviro-Star (800 series), though a decidedly colonial exterior. As for the Andersen 100, we're pretty set on double hung for most of the house. Would the Andersen 400 series be a good alternative? They seem to have an exterior profile that would fit. I've read of some moisture infiltration issues with the vinyl cladding on wood on this site so I'm a little leery. The windows will be white inside and out, so the wood isn't really a plus,

The 400 Is a dated design with the visable jambliner and you’d have the extra cost to prefinished the interior side. Have not heard much about moisture issues. Maybe Eric or Brandon would weigh in on the availability of SDL’s on Oknas other series.

I like the comment from Jan Moyer above...."You will do these ONCE....". Pretty much sums up most of the customer's feedback on doing SDLs to be honest.

We have Harvey bronze colored vinyl double hung windows in our new craftsman home and we love them.

https://www.harveybp.com

Most manufacturers will offer the prairie style grids (muntins), those aren't hard to find. As far as SDL's, it used to be that only higher end manufacturers offered them, but they are becoming more common. Okna does indeed offer them on the 800/Envirostar, as well as the Starmark, and the HiMark 1000. SDL's need additional clearance on the glass to sash interface which is why many manufacturers don't have them. The Craftsman "look" is extraordinarily popular these days, and I'd agree that the window material is not all that relevant as it pertains to that.

My last comment would be regarding your desire to have the SDL's, but a simpler, less colonial frame profile. That may be tricky. The reason is that the window product that offer SDL's need to have deeper sashes as I mentioned above, and they accomplish that often times by pushing the outer sash partially outward into the screen track of the mainframe. The "colonial" look is kind of a byproduct of that, it essentially disguises that while adding strength to the window frame. There are some things that you can do with the way that the exterior is finished off to minimize that look. Particularly when using aluminum trim, one can wrap to the screen track as opposed to into the utility channel, among other things.

Thanks for the detailed response on the SDL's, HSE. This was the wife's preference. I will show her this and perhaps get her to go with between the glass.

Weather Shield. Aspire

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Between the glass looks awful and fake. Either do the SDL or nothing. I have SDLs on my windows and love the look and am so glad i did them on my craftsman style home.

The SDL’s look nice but they can exceed the cost of the window itself. Between the glass doesn’t look as nice , but I’d say it’s in the eye of the beholder as far as looking cheap I’d recommen looking at them in person and draw your own conclusion. Bewtween the glass grids come in flat and contoured usually, I prefer the contoured. Cleaning the glass Is much simpler .

Reporting back:

After looking at the Sunrise, Softlite, Okna, and Starmark, I've decided to go with the Starmark. All had really good performance numbers, but I liked the solid construction of the Starmark. I've got some fairly large windows going in and I think the cellular PVC construction will give some added strength. Also, I liked the Starmark's simple exterior profile and the fact that they offered 5/8" flat muntin grids. The rep showed me a prairie style grid with those and it looked great.

The Craftsman style is very simple but very traditional. The position of the sash and the screen track is important and a sub-sill is recommended.

The usual design of vinyl windows makes it difficult to emulate a traditional Craftsman window. The sash thickness is often too narrow for applied mullions (SDL) and in- between-the-glass is often only option which does not have a traditional appearance.

The sash of a vinyl window is often set toward the outside with a projecting screen track that doesn't looks more like a storm window than a traditional window.

Its important to see the section details to determine the position of the sash and if the upper glass is narrower than the lower one. In any event you will probably find the glass of a vinyl window is smaller for a given frame size.

I would be looking at Marvin Integrity wood-ultrex fiberglass windows if appearance and longevity (or color) were important and add an Azek Historic Sill or equivalent.

Okna Jamb

Integrity Jamb

Mr. Mister, thats a great choice. I like the Integrity and other options, but the Starmark composite obliterates it in terms of performance... If there is anything I'd mention it would be that perhaps the benefits of the Starmark over the 800 are a little overstated (there really aren't many), but if the price is right you can't go wrong there. SDL's are an option on either unit.

I should also mention that you will not lose any glass area with those Okna options in comparison to the wood/ultrex Integrity. In fact, the side frame to glass measurement is a sliver less (1/8" each side) than the Integrity. We've sold and installed both lines and both are well made, but if the appearance of the Okna/Starmark lines meet your approval (the hidden, butt-joined welds on the Starmark and Himark are very nice), then as I alluded to above the performance and warranty make this a no-brainer.

Thanks, HSE. The dealer I spoke with quoted me on the OKNA 600 and the Starmark. As I said above, I liked the look and the performance numbers, and the price was definitely right. The Starmark was slightly more than the 600, but cheaper than I was quoted for either the Softlite or Sunrise.

Sounds like you got some great pricing on a great window,.

+1. No brainer either way in that case.

The Okna 600 or Okna 800 with SDL grids look very sharp and blend in very well in an old craftsman style home. You also get the benefit of one of the most energy efficient windows.

Sounds like a terrific deal. That window is generally priced much higher than the others that you mentioned. Well done :)

Alot of guys i have known for years and on,y install wood windows are now turning to higher end vinyl because of the superior efficiency and no maintenance. The key phrase is “ high end vinyl”, not low quality vinyl. Big difference.