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More on Paul Barden's roses, please!

7 years ago

I've seen the beautiful pics of 'Mel's Heritage', some envy-inducing pics of 'Golden Buddha', and the swoon-worthy 'Marianne'. 'Umbra', 'Etienne', and 'Rook' show up in the gallica threads every so often (haven't seen many of 'Rook' lately though).


The focus is usually on the (superbly beautiful) flowers, but I'd like to know/see more of the entire shrub, if anyone has pics. Of course, if you've just got flower pics there's never enough of those!


And a few more questions, for anyone who grows Paul's lovelies;

What zone are you in?

How tall/wide do they get? On the OGR types, do you see much suckering?

Do any set hips/show fall foliage for you?

Does their bloom time (if they are once-bloomers) avoid the worst of your spring/summer weather extremes, and does their flush beat the dreaded Japanese beetles?

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  • 7 years ago

    It does, Jeri! That's why I'm willing to give it a go even if it has to come back from nubbings in the Spring.

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    I agree that Mel’s Heritage roots easily. One of MH’s canes was covered with soil by a pesky gopher, digging on the slope. We had ample spring rain for once this year. I went to cut that cane back, and discovered it had rooted to the ground and made a new plant with zero help from me. It’s the first time a gopher has actually given me a new rose bush, instead of taking one away! Lol. I definitely didn’t have the space for another Mel’s Heritage to grow in that spot, and had planned to remove it. My “bonus daughter” Sarah was over for a visit and asked if she could dig it up and take it home. I was happy to have her do the digging job for me. It was much easier than expected, since it hadn’t rooted very deeply yet. I’ll have to ask her how Mel’s Heritage jr. is doing at her place. I know she was nervous about telling her husband that the long established bougainvillea covering a huge wall/fence would need removing. She’s seen how mine has grown over the years, and knows that’s the only suitable place she has. She was extremely happy to get my “happy accident” Mel’s Heritage.

    Mel’s Heritage has a special place in Sarah’s heart, and not just because it’s my favorite rose of all time. When she tragically lost her mother a few years back, we held her mom’s memorial on the beach in Del Mar. I cut and arranged the flowers the morning of the memorial. This was in mid-November. The only rose I had an abundance of for cutting and filling large vases was Mel’s Heritage. There were plenty of those luscious blooms in November. I used Mel’s Heritage exclusivity for her mom’s service. She now associates the sight and scent of Mel’s Heritage with her mother, in a good way. It’s a special rose to us in so many ways.

    So, I just made a novel out of saying, “Yes, Mel’s Heritage roots very easily.” It’s the only rose that’s ever done that here. Lisa


    5/19

    11/2017

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  • 7 years ago

    That's a pretty wonderful "novel." :-) I think I need to get DH to propagate some, this year, for HRG to sell.

    These were picked yesterday, and I'll enjoy them for a few more days.


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  • 5 years ago

    Has anyone gotten Connie Lohn or seen it available from RVR? I haven't seen it but also have only been looking for it for a few months, do you guys know if it's still propagated there? Thanks!

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    No help here for you, Aaron, from here sadly.

    Deborah in Minnesota, I so love your Umbra. I need this plant.

    Here is another one of Paul's, Diablo Hawk.




    The color is absolutely gorgeous. RVR is the source.

  • 5 years ago

    I have Diablo Hawk! I've never seen it in bloom though :) really excited about it!!

  • 5 years ago

    Thank you all who posted here!!! Even HMF has very little info on Barden roses and I hate that RVR doesn't have reviews or anything on most roses. I debated on golden buddha, jeri jennings, and janet inada (with very little information to decide on) .....but I so want Joyce Barden...love, love the look...has yet to be in stock at RVR.

  • 5 years ago

    @Aaron Rosarian Zone 5b How long have you had your plant of 'Diablo Hawk'?

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    Aaron, congratulations on your DH! I am waitlisted.

    Ann, I’m not too far from you, in Portland, and just got a young Jeri Jennings from a local rose friend who received a spare with his order. JJ looks like she is going to be a wonderful Hybrid Musk for my arch. Her clusters of blooms are buttery golden-yellow with peach edges and what I’d call a sweet licorice fragrance. GORGEOUS! Joyce B looks like a fantastic rose, too. If only I could grow them all! I’d love to see pics if you get JB.

    Carol

    Jeri Jennings




  • 5 years ago

    And I’m LOVING Dakota Redwing! A big thank you to Paul for breeding this velvet beauty with an incredible fragrance, and a thank you to Sheila who posted seductive photos of hers!!


  • 5 years ago

    Hi @User--it's a baby! I got it from RVR earlier this summer. It may have had a bloom on it when I first got it, but it's hard for me to recall. Really excited about it! Do you know if Connie Lohn will make a return? It's so pretty and I'm really hoping to get at least one mossed rose in my garden.

  • 5 years ago

    @Aaron Rosarian Zone 5b I hope you got the correct rose! Sadly, RVR has a problem with labeling their inventory, as we know. I just hope yours is correct.

    As for 'Connie Lohn', I have no idea if RVR still has it. It doesn't ever appear to be "in stock", so who knows. My two plants were destroyed in the 2015 Vortex, so its gone from my collection.

  • 5 years ago

    Hi @User--that's truly sad to hear! I can't imagine what it's like having created such beautiful things and them possibly being lost forever. @Deborah MN zone 4 how is your Connie Lohn doing? If you still have it, do you think you might be able to offer cuttings back to Paul?

  • 5 years ago

    Aaron, I don’t have Connie Lohn. I moved from Kentucky to Minnesota last July and left several Barden roses behind.

  • last year

    I know this is an older thread but does anyone actually have a pic of Connie Lohn,? or Uncondicional Love, i just bought those, along with Golden Buddha, Treasure Trail and Jeri Jennings. it took a long time for them to come back iin stock at RVR and i was on a waitlist for ever but finally i got the notice they were back iin stock. Waiting on Dakota Redwing to come back in stock now. I am dying to know what Connie Lohn looks like, i have only seen one pic of a rose, not sure if it was even open all of the way or not. the leaves are tiny on it and it is a cute plant and well rooted, that were coming out of the bottom of the pot. Dying for that Song of the Stars too.



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    I’ve been waffling over Golden Buddha and Oshun. Does anybody here have experience with those?

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    SD - lisa who lived in the san diego area had a stunning golden buddha !

    i am ordering oshun too . it looks so neautiful

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    I have a baby Oshun. Tiny buds so far here first Spring.


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    I just had gotten my Golden Buddha from RVR and it has a bud on it and when it opened it was so pretty and already had a great scent.


    Ignore my mess of towels i have to fold in the background but this was it's maiden bloom

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    Before I moved, I had Golden Buddha, Mel’s Heritage and Pam’s choice.

    Mel’s Heritage bloomed from April to December, taking a break to build up for the huge spring flush. If I do say so myself, it was a sight to behold. It was easily 25’ x15’, and showed no signs of stopping. I live in the warm, dry climate of Southern CA. It loves the warm weather. I dont get blackspot or Japanese beetles here. I do get powdery mildew, but Mel’s Heritage never had it. Here are a few pics of Mel’s Heritage in all his glory.





    I’m having trouble posting so I’ll submit this and do a follow up with Golden Buddha. Lisa


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    Lisa, that is stunning! What a gorgeous garden.

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    I’ve seen your fabulous photos of Mel’s Heritage before, Lisa, but wow! I am just agog. I can only imagine how that must look and smell in real life. My own MH is building up in size but nothing like this, and frankly, I don’t have room to allow this kind of size. It will need to be contr.

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    @opineonline I have had Golden Buddha for a couple of years, and have never seen blooms that pink while opening. I question if you got a correctly labeled plant. I wonder if others that have grown it can chime in?

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    @Brandon Garner, it was the maiden bloom, the outside of the petal was pink as you can see in the pic but when it first opened it was yellowish with the pink only showing on the reverse and it was on the plant for while open and slowly turned more pink. but who knows, we will see. What does your's look like? Mine was pretty representative of the flower i saw on Rogue Valley when it first opened.


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    @opineonline this is what my golden buddha looks like:

    https://youtu.be/puC1SoIc8_I?si=3pOYecq6000Rx-za

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    Thanks Brandon, i like your video! This one was more apricot when it first opened with a slight pink tinge, i wish i had taken a pic of it right when it bloomed, it looked more like yours. are yours pink of the reverse of the petal with pink buds? I will keep watching it!


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    My Golden Buddha was wonderful. So many roses grow into giants in my soil and climate. Golden Buddha remained compact and short. It almost always had blooms on it. Ocassionaly it had a bit of powdery mildew, but nothing serious. I kept is at about 2’ wide by 3’ tall.

    Opineonline, my Golden Buddah did not show any pink tones. Maybe i’ts because it’s the first bloom. I really hope that’s the case. Mine was a yolk yellow(think free range chickens) that faded to an offwhite. Mine received full, hot CA sun all day long. If I could change anything about Golden Buddha, it would be that the blooms didn’t fade so much. Overall, it was a lovely and healthy plant. Lisa

    There is a clematis intertwined with Golden Buddha.






    Here you can see what an old bloom liked like for me.


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    Lisa and Brandon, i would say mine looks like Lisa's first pic, if you look closely you can see the buds are sort of reddish? I would say mine went through the colors of your first pic intertwined with the clematis, the second 2 pics look more yellow, maybe it is temperature but i do see what i would call Pinkish tones infirst pic. I will definetly keep an eye on it. i know there have been issues with them sending incorrect roses in the past.


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    Hey Lisa! Im glad you are back and well. You are the one that got me hooked to PB roses. How do I get Mel's to bloom more? Mine had one big flush in June and another tiny one later.

    I have Mel's heritage, Golden Buddha, Oshun, Little grey Pearl and soon Connie and Marianne. I want Dakota Redwing and Oui.

  • last year

    Does anyone have precious dream? Not a Paul Barden rose but PB recommended it and I put it in with my order recently. I'm wondering if I should just switch it out for another Oshun.

  • last year

    Z10Socal i want Dakota Redwing and Oui too I got Connie Lohn (anyone out there have one?) Unconditional Love a mini moss and Treasure Trail another moss b/c i like that button eye, Golden Buddha and Jeri Jennings, all new. I have never had a miniature rose nor a moss rose so i really dove in lol.

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    I got Jeri Jennings ladt year and she is super healthy. Lisa, so good to see you posting

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    Opineonline I think no one has Connie so it's hard for them to share a picture.

  • last year

    Looking over this thread about Paul's lovely rose creations, I thought I would update the progress of Mel's Heritage in my zone. I'm very very happy to report that another try at Mel's Heritage has resulted in winter survival. Not just survival, but almost tip hardy!!! All this with a winter that in Feb/March was bitterly cold for several weeks, with at least a week of solid below 0 F temperatures, down to as low as -20F.

    Here are some caveats about how:

    We are now officially zone 6 with warmer average temperatures

    This was planted close to the house on the south sunny side so it's a virtual zone 7 spot

    The rose was surrounded with filled leaf bags and tucked into its bed with oak leaves covering it for the winter

    The rose grew on in a kiddie swimming pool for about a month with all the water it wanted before planting. I'll post in another thread how very much difference I think it has made in both the vigor and winter survival of ALL my roses.

    Mel's Heritage is still not a large climber, but it's only in its second year. I'd say the canes are about a foot long and still a delicate floppy state at the moment. However, it's already leafing out with the daffodils and ready to take on more growth for the season.

    SoCal - on another note, I had a Precious Dream (Moore mini) for about 10 years on the sunny west side of my house and it bloomed regularly and survived the winters well. The blooms were small but the plant was bushy (maybe 2 feet tall) and the color stayed mostly apricot without fading too much to cream like a lot of roses in that color scheme. I'm replacing it this year from Burlington (after losing all my roses in 2022). I recommend it - it's a solid little rose in that color scheme.

    WOO HOO Mel's Heritage! Mine may never look a fraction as gorgeous as Lisa's but I'll settle for whatever blooms that beauty cares to grace me with.

    Cynthia

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    @Z10Socal I think you are right, i will have to share a pic of mine!

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    It's my first moss rose too. Do you like minis? I'm wanting to load up on them since all the other roses get too big in my zone .

    Cynthia I wish you would comment more. I can tell you have a lot of knowledge. I still have to look for Nigrette rose you suggested. Does it fade or turn magenta quickly in heat? Did your precious dream have a fragrance? Any pictures you could share 🤗?


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    I just got Little Gray Pearl from Rogue valley roses and it came with buds and blooms!

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    Connie Lohn, it has 3 little moss buds on it!

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    To die for blooms

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    Well Connie Lohn is opening up...Dolly on the left and Connie on the right :-)



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    A fully open Connie Lohn bloom and you can clearly see the mossing on the bud next to it. it will be fun to watch it grow.

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    Opineonline. It looks similar to baby austin. I have both roses.

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    Unconditional Love first bloom and comparison to Connie Lohn, Cute roses!

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    How long have you had your Connie? I got mine last week. Came unsecured so it was squashed. Was expensive for a mini. I hope it grows into a wonderful rose. Yours look happy🩷♥️

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    Z10Socal I got it Mar 24th and up potted to a gallon pot on 3/31. Post pics of yours when you get it going.

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    SoCal, I bumped up a post about blackest red roses that includes several photos of Nigrette. She is available from Burlington roses, so send her an email. She has a lot of other intriguing roses!

    Cynthia

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    Did you lose your name in the title again, Cynthis? Very frustrating.

    I'm here to report that Dakota Redwing is TIP-HARDY in Cincinnati after some prolonged coldspells of -8F. I hope to get more blooms this year now that that area is been weeded!! The rose bloom itself has exceeded expectations.

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    Cynthia, what is the name of the post? I don't see 🙈 it

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    SoCal - it's on page 2 now - What are your Blackest Red roses. There are a lot of pictures that show you some option of roses that don't pink out.

    Vapor - it's funny what Houzz does with my name. On one computer, I can post without logging in and my name comes out correct. On the other, I have to log in every time I want to post something and it calls me that string of numbers.

    Can't win with Houzzless

    Cynthia

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    I have to look on my desktop. Cynthia do you want my precious dream? I can send it to you . Rather give it to someone who wants it then put it in the shade.