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Discolored Buss Bar

5 years ago

I had my small 1br condo updated about 6 months ago - brand new electrical panel, wiring and tankless water heater. There was initially an arc event when the electrician wired up the electric tankless water heater (wires in junction box not shielded enough) which burned the 60 amp breaker in the panel and the electronics of the water heater. I had the electrician back out to finish another part of the project and noticed the 60amp breaker had burn marks on it and was warm to the touch. The electrician came back out and replaced the breaker and took sand paper to the burned part of the bussbar. Breaker is no longer hot to the touch and seems to be working fine, but some two months after I'm now hearing buzzing/humming from that breaker when the water heater is running. I'm having another electrician come out to check all of the connections, but I'm wondering if the bussbar is permanently damaged from previous arc event and needs to be replaced. In the attached photo - the top lug (60amp water heater circuit) is brown.

Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks!

Comments (11)

  • 5 years ago

    "There was initially an arc event when the electrician wired up the electric tankless water heater (wires in junction box not shielded enough)"

    I hope the electrician who's working on your wiring now is NOT the one who messed up that work.

    It's not unusual for breakers to hum under load.

  • 5 years ago

    I had a main panel that water got into and caused corrosion to the buss and breakers. I found that after fixing water problem and replacing all of the breakers I still had a problem circuit. If I turned off the lights and watched the breakers I could see little arcs shining through at the point of contact. A thorough cleaning of the buss with wire brush and small file solved it and it looked much worse than yours.

  • 5 years ago

    The word is "bus" by the way. Putting your lips to electrical things is fraught with peril.


    The original story makes little sense. Power wires aren't shielded and breakers are designed to trip with excessive current.


    The sanding most likely removed some of the plating from the bus bar. If a new breaker was immediately placed back in there, there isn't likely to be a problem. Left exposed, it might oxidize a bit, but even then it's not likely to be a problem and it would manifest itself with excess heat not "humming.."


    As pointed out, humming isn't too uncommon.

  • 5 years ago

    I should clarify - the arcing event occurred in the junction box where the water heater wiring is connected to the wires from the panel. That connection was not shielded enough - it sparked violently when they first powered it up.

  • 5 years ago

    It still makes no sense. "Shielded" is not the term you are looking for. It sound like uninsulated wiring touched the box, but that's pretty seriously stupid on the part of the installer.

  • 5 years ago

    "sound like uninsulated wiring touched the box"

    That's how I interpreted it too.

    "pretty seriously stupid on the part of the installer."

    Yes. It's hard to imagine how that could happen with a supposed pro. I reread the original post and see that Travis called a different electrician this time, which seems like a sensible move.

    But a short circuit "burned the breaker" and the bus? That doesn't sound right at all. The breaker should trip immediately. It might be more plausible if that were an old Zinsco panel, or maybe a Stab-Lok.

  • 5 years ago

    It's neither. It's appears to be a fairly recent HOM panel with the "plug on" neutral bar.


  • 5 years ago

    Update: Had another electrician take a look - wires are 8 but should be 6. Fail.

  • 5 years ago

    That still shouldn't have damaged the panel.

  • 5 years ago

    I'm with Ron. Something smells funny about this situation.