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rose recommendations for central new york?

6 years ago

hello antique roses forum!


I am in central new york (zone 5b), and I am looking for a large climbing or shrub rose to cover the west side of a fence. I have roses elsewhere on the property that I inherited, which have terrible japanese beetle problems (and black spot problems!), both of which I am working on. Anyway, I would like something hardy, vigorous, and large. Fragrant and repeat bloomer would also be nice. No deer problems. Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

Comments (13)

  • 6 years ago

    They say the old gallica roses are super hardy. Is this true?

  • 6 years ago

    Define 'super hardy'. I've run into a lot of people who will use that term to describe any rose that can survive 0F without dieback. I'm completely underwhelmed by that concept. Gallicas are hardy. They are fine in zone 5, but can start having trouble in zone 4, depending on how much damask, etc. is in them, which isn't usually noted.

    John Kuhn thanked mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY)
  • 6 years ago

    I don't know how you could go wrong with Quadra, but I'll throw out Victorian Memory and Felix LeClerc as other possibilities. They are supposed to be good in zone five, but I'm in 6 so can't comment from experience.

    John Kuhn thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
  • 6 years ago

    The toughest parts of the OP's request are rebloom and height. The only two things I have that meet those requirements here in Zone 4 are Roseraie de l'Hay and Therese Bugnet, which I would heartily recommend. Darlow's Enigma has never gotten much over four feet here and it's always a chore to cut out all the dead canes. But the fragrance and rebloom are great. Zone 5 might be another story.


    I have John Davis, one of the Explorers, and it hasn't gotten over 4.5 feet.


    I have had pretty good luck with Gallicas in Zone 4. The few that don't thrive seen to have some China in them.

    John Kuhn thanked belmont8
  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Thank you so much to everyone on this thread. Both Darlow's and Quadra seem like fantastic choices. My local nurseries don't have much in the way of selection--just endless swathes of Knockouts--and the one decent local rose place (an hour away, in Ithaca) doesn't carry Darlow's. I note that Heirloom Roses does--does anyone have any experience with that outfit? I have never ordered roses online before (and I see that Palatine charges a fee for US shipment); I inherited a swathe in front of the house I bought two years ago and have been slowly learning to care for them and so am a relative newbie. I always swore I would never plant roses because they are too high maintenance, but I have grown to love them!

  • 6 years ago

    I'm not a big fan of Heirloom, or anybody else who sells small, own-root roses. They are more of a 'rose kit' than a rose, and you have to have a decent idea of what you are doing to grow them to maturity in this climate. Even hardy roses won't necessarily make it through their first winter, and the west coast growers don't really understand that.

    Either way, the roses shouldn't arrive until next spring.

  • 6 years ago

    What do you mean by "charges a fee"? A fee for shipping or to bring into the US? Heirloom is considered expensive so I imagine you'd have better luck with Palatine or Hortico which graft onto multiflora which is, I believe, a suitable rootstock for your zone. Many people swear by these two nurseries, especially Palatine.There are a couple of northern US growers such as Wisconsin Roses and Rose Fire Ltd, but I don't have any experience with them.

  • 6 years ago

    Lavender Lassie is hardy and reliable, mine is 6 feet tall and wide. It has a beautiful Old Rose fragrance. It gets blackspot in my no-spray garden. (All my roses get blackspot except the rugosa.)

    Mortimer Sackler and The Generous Gardener are two Austin roses that reach 4-5 feet tall here. Mortimer Sackler is one of my best Austins for repeat bloom, hardiness, and sweet fragrance.

    Mme Alfred Carriere is hardy, 5 1/2 feet tall and 3 1/2 feet wide. Good repeat bloom, almost continuous.

    I've ordered roses from Heirloom Roses for a number of years, I've been pleased with the plants. They are one gallon size, arrive in good condition.

    I don't recall where I purchased my Lavender Lassie, it's many years old, probably Antique Rose Emporium. They have large 2 gallon plants.

    Marchesa Boccella does not have a climbing habit, but I thought I'd mention it if you have room for a medium size shrub rose. It's very hardy, good repeat bloom and the fragrance is superb.

    Lavender Lassie



    Mortimer Sackler


    The Generous Gardener


    Marchesa Boccella


  • 6 years ago

    Heirloom sells really great plants now which are larger than in the past. I have always been very happy with them. In the old days, I ordered from them to Alaska. The plants are much stronger now. Here is a "Spirit of Freedom" I got from them this Spring. I love own root. I love the "Quadra" and "Darlow's Enigma idea. I would get


    a "Quadra" from High Country Roses when it was in stock. That is a great one. I was just trying to show the size of what Heirloom sells now. Mad, they really send bigger roses from Heirloom now. I agree ordering own root roses for Spring delivery is best in colder areas where I had been most of my life.

  • 6 years ago

    How do you think wichurana roses like Awakening or Viking Queen would do up that way?

  • 6 years ago

    Depends on the micro-climate. I can grow a decent New Dawn, however, 10 miles north of me they can't. Both places are officially 5b, and have been for a while.

  • 6 years ago

    There used to be a place in Upstate NY called Flowering Shrub Farm that sold some interesting roses -- the owner passed away, so it is no longer open. But you might be able to look at some of their photos on Help Me Find to get ideas of what does well in your area. https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=17.3953