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Chandelier grounding question

5 years ago

If a chandelier‘s ceiling mount ground wire is connected to the ground wire line in the junction box, is a second ground wire required to run alongside the chain to the candelabras? Isn‘t the entirety of the metal grounded with first connection under the canopy cover?

Comments (16)

  • 5 years ago

    Not running a ground wire alongside the chain means that you're relying on the chain itself for the ground. I assume the manufacturer supplied a cable for the fixture; doesn't that have three conductors (including the ground)?

    Micah Brickner thanked mtvhike
  • 5 years ago

    Thanks for the reply! This was a salvaged chandelier. The cable running in the chain is only a two-wire cable. I would need to run an exposed ground wire alongside the chain or, I suppose, replace the existing wire with a three-wire cable if I wanted to run a ground down the chain. So I'm assuming that relying on the chain to be the ground is problematic?

  • 5 years ago

    Re: Replacing the existing wire with a three-wire cable - Most chandeliers run a 2-wire lamp cord down along/through the chain and a separate bare stranded ground wire (~ 18 gauge) alongside. The silver colored chandelier that I'm sitting under has a clear/silver two wire lamp cord and a silver colored ground wire.

    Micah Brickner thanked formulaross20
  • 5 years ago

    Lot of lack of understanding in this thread.

    Show of hands. Is the chandelier itself grounded? lol

  • 5 years ago

    Without new wires, the chandelier is grounded through the chain, but the chain itself might have breaks in continuity - oxidation.

    Micah Brickner thanked mtvhike
  • 5 years ago

    Hi Stax. I know there's a lack of understanding — at least on my part. :) That's why I'm looking for some expertise here.

  • 5 years ago

    @greg_2015 This is really helpful input. Thanks!

  • 5 years ago

    I agree with Greg

  • 5 years ago

    How do devices with two prong plugs like TV provide protection?

  • 5 years ago

    Devices with two prongs that are made nowadays means that there is no metal (that could be energized) that is exposed to human hands on the device and therefore grounding isn't required.

    TVs are all plastic/glass on the outside.

  • 5 years ago

    It's funny that my laptop computer has a 3-prong plug for its power supply, but just two conductors for the low voltage power to the computer itself.

  • 5 years ago

    Why is that funny?

  • 5 years ago

    Why do you need a grounded plug for a transformer/power supply totally enclosed in plastic?

  • 5 years ago

    Perhaps to protect the actual electronic device in case something happens with the transformer?

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    My explanation above might have been a little simplified for clarity. I'm not an electronics guy, but there might be a use for grounding within transformers that has nothing to do with human safety.

    I've heard that surge protectors also need a good ground in order to operate properly as well. I guess when a surge comes in, some of the excess is shunted to the ground or something. That's for protection of the electronics vs humans.

    So in other words, devices with 2 prongs and no grounding have no metal exposed that could be energized. But that doesn't mean the reverse, where 3 prong grounded devices must have exposed metal that could be energized. All apples are fruit, but not all fruit are apples.